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RAILhead · Apr 6, 2008, 08:38 AM

Statement by the Family of Charlton Heston: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

Damn, dirty apes.

64stang06 · Apr 6, 2008, 10:32 AM

RIP. Too bad CNN can't get his age right.

analogika · Apr 6, 2008, 10:36 AM

BBC reports him as 84, as well, as does the Yahoo article linked to above.

Weird, considering he'd just turned 83 in October.

Powerbook · Apr 6, 2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Damn, dirty apes.

Those are called "African Americans" now. And I'm not convinced they were behind it, even with Heston's racist NRA agenda and all.

PB.

analogika · Apr 6, 2008, 11:32 AM

NRA != racist, necessarily.

Charlton Heston walked next to Dr. Martin Luther King in the March on Washington in 1963.

And I'm not sure you intended that, but you just equated "dirty apes" with "African Americans".

Rumor · Apr 6, 2008, 11:44 AM

Now is a good time to take his gun, eh?

Jawbone54 · Apr 6, 2008, 12:04 PM

R.I.P., Moses.

One of the best actors of his era, for sure.

Faust · Apr 6, 2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Powerbook

Those are called "African Americans" now.

PB.

If sarcasm was intended, I was unable to spot it.

And Heston was indeed a racist through and through.

Geez, this forum is really becoming hard to visit for someone who is not of purely white skin. The perils of the internet, as it were, what?

While I absolutely despised Heston for his racism, I liked Ben Hur. He was great in it. So, R.I.P. nonetheless.

shinji · Apr 6, 2008, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Faust

If sarcasm was intended, I was unable to spot it.

And Heston was indeed a racist through and through.

Geez, this forum is really becoming hard to visit for someone who is not of purely white skin. The perils of the internet, as it were, what?

While I absolutely despised Heston for his racism, I liked Ben Hur. He was great in it. So, R.I.P. nonetheless.

How was he a racist?

analogika · Apr 6, 2008, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Faust

And Heston was indeed a racist through and through.

I haven't found any conclusive evidence of this. Do you have any information I'm missing?

All I could find is that he's anti-affirmative-action, and anti-P.C. He said some unpleasant stuff that *could* be construed as racist, such as that "white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride", but I'm inclined to think that this was in the vein of "free speech is above all", rather than racist sentiment.

His own words, in context of a full speech: BBHQ: Charlton Heston: The Culture War

But he *was* a very early supporter of the civil rights movement in the U.S. and did march on Washington together with Dr. King in 1963.

I admit I've only skimmed the speech and done only brief internet research, but if you have any more anecdotes or indications of racism, I'd be interested.

Mithras · 08:28 PM

I guess we can take his guns away now.

EDIT: Rumor beat me to it, and others are throwing a hissy fit. Sorry.

ghporter · Apr 6, 2008, 03:12 PM

At least the point he made in his speech stuck. Heston was a man of principle, a man of integrity, and a man who stood behind what he believed in. I have followed his career for a long time, and I never got even the vaguest notion that he was a racist. Quite the contrary.

So I'd like to ask two things. First, those who have some idea that Charlton Heston was a racist, start a thread IN THE RIGHT FORUM and provide your evidence. And second, those who want to make fun of his stand on the Second Amendment, start your own thread about that. Maybe we can return to discussing Heston's career, including some of the biggest and most popular films of the 20th century, rather than put up with sniping and rudeness aimed at the dead.

Chuckit · Apr 6, 2008, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

BBC reports him as 84, as well, as does the Yahoo article linked to above.

Weird, considering he'd just turned 83 in October.

Strangely, Googling for biographies turns up both birthyears ('23 and '24). Do you actually have an authorized bio or anything?

Shaddim · Apr 6, 2008, 03:30 PM

Mr. Heston was a great man and a great American, glad I had the opportunity to meet him (twice). He had a career that few will match and the undying admiration of millions, he will be missed.

analogika · Apr 6, 2008, 03:30 PM

83 or 84 - 1924 was the date on IMDB.

Huh.

analogika · Apr 6, 2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

At least the point he made in his speech stuck. Heston was a man of principle, a man of integrity, and a man who stood behind what he believed in. I have followed his career for a long time, and I never got even the vaguest notion that he was a racist. Quite the contrary.

So I'd like to ask two things. First, those who have some idea that Charlton Heston was a racist, start a thread IN THE RIGHT FORUM and provide your evidence. And second, those who want to make fun of his stand on the Second Amendment, start your own thread about that. Maybe we can return to discussing Heston's career, including some of the biggest and most popular films of the 20th century, rather than put up with sniping and rudeness aimed at the dead.

a) I *really* don't want to have to read the Political Lounge.

b) His political lobbying has been as much part of his life in the past few decades as the movie business - he was politically involved back in the early 60's! This thread was about Charlton Heston, who just died, and Heston was a very political animal. Perhaps that means the thread is not appropriate to the delineations of this particular forum. Just move the whole thread if it turns too political (as it inevitably must considering the subject).

Faust · Apr 6, 2008, 04:02 PM

Not a problem. I'll refrain from posting my views on anything concerning his ethnical and political stances in this thread.
I do take issue with your decision to control how the discussion on a highly politically active person is led, however. Either act on principle or don't. Where were your principles in the Martin Luther King thread? The thread was also posted in the Lounge. I sincerely fail to see your logic, in particular, if your request is that of an admin/moderator.

Originally Posted by ghporter

At least the point he made in his speech stuck. Heston was a man of principle, a man of integrity, and a man who stood behind what he believed in. I have followed his career for a long time, and I never got even the vaguest notion that he was a racist. Quite the contrary.

So I'd like to ask two things. First, those who have some idea that Charlton Heston was a racist, start a thread IN THE RIGHT FORUM and provide your evidence. And second, those who want to make fun of his stand on the Second Amendment, start your own thread about that. Maybe we can return to discussing Heston's career, including some of the biggest and most popular films of the 20th century, rather than put up with sniping and rudeness aimed at the dead.

RAILhead · Apr 6, 2008, 04:06 PM

Man, what a whiney bunch you lot are.

Faust · Apr 6, 2008, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Man, what a whiney bunch you lot are.

Ok, you're absolutely right. I'll stop whining. This is better:

ghporter · Apr 6, 2008, 04:15 PM

I'm not at all opposed to discussing Heston's political activity. But cheap shots at a line he used as ONE part of ONE of his political issues seems pretty rude. And it's been overdone in this thread already. Sure, go ahead and state your opinions on the issues he championed. But two people have already taken that cheap shot about "cold, dead hands", and apparently the second hadn't noticed that the first had beaten him to it. THAT is what I was talking about.

I also didn't see anyone report anything about someone posting rude stuff in the MLK-related threads, so I didn't step into those. If anyone has any misbehavior or rudeness to report in those threads, go for it. But I haven't seen any such reports.

Can we get back to talking about a movie star's movies?

Faust · Apr 6, 2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

Can we get back to talking about a movie star's movies?

Yes, we can (pardon the pun).

Atomic Rooster · Apr 6, 2008, 07:10 PM

Rest in Hell.

But there isn't one.

OK, happy oblivion.

Atomic Rooster · Apr 6, 2008, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

I'm not at all opposed to discussing Heston's political activity. But cheap shots at a line he used as ONE part of ONE of his political issues seems pretty rude. And it's been overdone in this thread already. Sure, go ahead and state your opinions on the issues he championed. But two people have already taken that cheap shot about "cold, dead hands", and apparently the second hadn't noticed that the first had beaten him to it. THAT is what I was talking about.

I also didn't see anyone report anything about someone posting rude stuff in the MLK-related threads, so I didn't step into those. If anyone has any misbehavior or rudeness to report in those threads, go for it. But I haven't seen any such reports.

Can we get back to talking about a movie star's movies?

Lighten up porter or go somewhere else.

brassplayersrock² · Apr 6, 2008, 07:43 PM

omg it's marden

Rumor · Apr 6, 2008, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

At least the point he made in his speech stuck. Heston was a man of principle, a man of integrity, and a man who stood behind what he believed in. I have followed his career for a long time, and I never got even the vaguest notion that he was a racist. Quite the contrary.

So I'd like to ask two things. First, those who have some idea that Charlton Heston was a racist, start a thread IN THE RIGHT FORUM and provide your evidence. And second, those who want to make fun of his stand on the Second Amendment, start your own thread about that. Maybe we can return to discussing Heston's career, including some of the biggest and most popular films of the 20th century, rather than put up with sniping and rudeness aimed at the dead.

Don't forget Godwin's Law.

osiris · 09:52 AM

RIP Charlton.
I always enjoyed his films, I'll miss him.

It's peeeeeeeeople! Soylent green is people!

analogika · Apr 6, 2008, 08:51 PM

^ Could you edit that spoiler please for the benefit of all who haven't seen it?

</pet peeve>

Oisín · Apr 6, 2008, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

^ Could you edit that spoiler please for the benefit of all who haven't seen it?

</pet peeve>

Huh?

I don’t think I’ve seen ‘it’, because I have no idea what the spoiler is supposed to be, or what ‘it’ is (I’m assuming a Charlton Heston movie).

VIP Charlton.

“Vest In Peace”? Posthumous fashion show?

Apemanblues · Apr 7, 2008, 06:28 AM

Was there anything in his cold dead hands?

If so, you can take it.

residentEvil · Apr 7, 2008, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Apemanblues

Was there anything in his cold dead hands?

If so, you can take it.

that is the 3rd in this thread, shall we try for more?

analogika · Apr 7, 2008, 08:06 AM

reading threads is *so* yesteryear's netiquette.

Dakar the Fourth · Apr 7, 2008, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by residentEvil

that is the 3rd in this thread, shall we try for more?

You can pry that joke away from my cold, dead hands.

osiris · Apr 7, 2008, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

^ Could you edit that spoiler please for the benefit of all who haven't seen it?

</pet peeve>

It is a very well known line. I will not edit the post.

Dakar the Fourth · Apr 7, 2008, 09:13 AM

I sincerely thought he was joking.

osiris · Apr 7, 2008, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth

I sincerely thought he was joking.

I haven't had my gallon of coffee yet, but I think he was not.

Dakar the Fourth · Apr 7, 2008, 09:19 AM

Perhaps the punch-line isn't as widely used in Germany.

osiris · Apr 7, 2008, 09:25 AM

What punch line? writer's strike again?

brassplayersrock² · Apr 7, 2008, 09:27 AM

dakars monkeys on typewriters must have gone on strike again

Dakar the Fourth · Apr 7, 2008, 09:34 AM

"It's made of people" is often used as a joke. It's the only reason I know the line.

analogika · Apr 7, 2008, 09:39 AM

I seem to remember that couple of years ago, it was understood that alluding to the line is okay, but quoting it is not.

Hardly another film is ruined as badly as that one is - the only other one I can think of is Vader being Luke's father, but that's in one part of a series.

osiris · Apr 7, 2008, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth

"It's made of people" is often used as a joke. It's the only reason I know the line.

You have to see the movie, it will all make perfect sense. Everything. You'll even find that long lost remote.

brassplayersrock² · Apr 7, 2008, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

I seem to remember that couple of years ago, it was understood that alluding to the line is okay, but quoting it is not.

Hardly another film is ruined as badly as that one is - the only other one I can think of is Vader being Luke's father, but that's in one part of a series.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dakar the Fourth · Apr 7, 2008, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by osiris

You'll even find that long lost remote.

What the hell are you talking about?

brassplayersrock² · Apr 7, 2008, 09:50 AM

long lost remotes. pay attention

Dakar the Fourth · Apr 7, 2008, 09:52 AM

Thanks, Captain Worthless.

osiris · Apr 7, 2008, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth

What the hell are you talking about?

How the hell did I end up at the airport?
Who are you people? Where are you taking me?

brassplayersrock² · Apr 7, 2008, 09:54 AM

as long as you'll be my first mate. you can call me captain anytime

osiris · Apr 7, 2008, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

I seem to remember that couple of years ago, it was understood that alluding to the line is okay, but quoting it is not.

Hardly another film is ruined as badly as that one is - the only other one I can think of is Vader being Luke's father, but that's in one part of a series.

I fixed it in light of the Vader Evidence, Exhibit 'A'

Dakar the Fourth · Apr 7, 2008, 09:56 AM

This thread reeks of Monday.

brassplayersrock² · Apr 7, 2008, 09:57 AM

must be the new deodorant