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Slashdot | Paypal Advises Users To Stop Using Safari

turtle777 · Apr 18, 2008, 02:47 AM

Maybe Safari users are not as stupid as the average IE or Firefox user ?

-t

OwlBoy · Apr 18, 2008, 02:51 AM

Phishing stuff has to be next in the line of features for future Safari versions (not talking webkit, just Safari). Right?

-Owl

Big Mac · Apr 18, 2008, 03:20 AM

Someone pointed to this image on AI - it seems some anti-phishing support was present and then removed:

http://images.appleinsider.com/leopa...anti-phish.jpg

voodoo · Apr 18, 2008, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Someone pointed to this image on AI - it seems some anti-phishing support was present and then removed:

http://images.appleinsider.com/leopa...anti-phish.jpg

Apple has to have some features to introduce in 10.6

MacosNerd · Apr 18, 2008, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Apple has to have some features to introduce in 10.6

Has to in 10.6? I think they have to address the issue now (or near term) and not a couple of years down the road.

Wiskedjak · Apr 18, 2008, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Maybe Safari users are not as stupid as the average IE or Firefox user ?

-t

If anything, Safari users may be *more* naive than the average IE or Firefox user. How many of us encourage our wives, parents and grandparents to use Macs to reduce our tech support load? How many of our wives, parents and grandparents pay no attention whatsoever to a typical URL and would easily fall prey to a phishing scam?

IE users are commonly targeted with viruses and adware, and therefore might actually be *more* aware of the dangers presented over the Internet than your typical Safari user who sits safely complacent behind their imagined shield of MacOS.

64stang06 · Apr 18, 2008, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by MacosNerd

Has to in 10.6? I think they have to address the issue now (or near term) and not a couple of years down the road.

But how will they get over 300+features like they did with Leopard?

voodoo · Apr 18, 2008, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by 64stang06

But how will they get over 300+features like they did with Leopard?

Precisely

Laminar · Apr 18, 2008, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

If anything, Safari users may be *more* naive than the average IE or Firefox user. How many of us encourage our wives, parents and grandparents to use Macs to reduce our tech support load? How many of our wives, parents and grandparents pay no attention whatsoever to a typical URL and would easily fall prey to a phishing scam?

I scoffed at phishing protection, but I found out a couple weeks ago I fell for a facebook phishing scam, and someone used my account to post spam on the walls of about 70 of my friends. It took me 20 minutes to clean that all up.

kelso · Apr 18, 2008, 07:39 PM

Hmm...I haven't ran into any problems. I've never been redirected or anything to a phishing page. Plus isn't it adware or fake e-mails that trick users to phishing pages? As far as I know, there isn't any spyware or adware for Mac....well last I checked...

Big Mac · Apr 18, 2008, 08:02 PM

I'd say the most common phishing scheme starts with an email link. It makes sense for Safari to offer protection, especially given that Firefox and IE are introducing it.

Wiskedjak · Apr 18, 2008, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by kelso

Hmm...I haven't ran into any problems. I've never been redirected or anything to a phishing page. Plus isn't it adware or fake e-mails that trick users to phishing pages? As far as I know, there isn't any spyware or adware for Mac....well last I checked...

Usually through a fake email. Macs aren't immune to that. Phishing protection in a browser alerts the user to the possibility that the site may not be what it claims to be.

Apr 18, 2008, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Usually through a fake email. Macs aren't immune to that. Phishing protection in a browser alerts the user to the possibility that the site may not be what it claims to be.

Both Mail and Safari should get anti-phishing features.

However, it's the EV Certificates that I don't agree with. They don't actually provide more security but cost much more to get one. It's just a scheme for Verisign to get more money for certificates.

l008com · Apr 18, 2008, 11:52 PM

I actually keep a good chunk of money in my paypal because as far as 'savings account interest', their rate is pretty good. But obviously if paypal decided to start blocking safari, that money would go bye bye. Which is what this thread was about :-D

turtle777 · Apr 18, 2008, 11:57 PM

You keep money in Paypal ?

Seriously, this is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Don't you know that Paypal can freeze your account for any and no reason, even dumb and stupid mistakes on their part ?

-t

l008com · Apr 19, 2008, 12:03 AM

I hardly use ebay at all these days. I do very little with my paypal account other than let money sit in it. It has dropped now, but the interest was at 5.05% for years, thats pretty good.

turtle777 · Apr 19, 2008, 12:05 AM

You can get as much and more at a reputable online bank. I see absolutely no need to keep any money in Paypal.

-t

moep · Apr 19, 2008, 12:45 AM

Just browse over to the paypalsucks Forums and check a few of those threads.
You'll stop caring about Paypal's Safari browser support after a minute of reading or so.

torsoboy · Apr 19, 2008, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

You can get as much and more at a reputable online bank. I see absolutely no need to keep any money in Paypal.

-t

EmigrantDirect was at 5.15% a few months ago, but it is now only 2.75%

Luckily Apple has gained ~21% since I bought it a month or so ago

l008com · Apr 19, 2008, 03:30 AM

Yeah, paypal's interest is extremely competitive for a savings, not investment account. Everything is in the tank right now but it's been over 5% for a long time, thats very good. Plus its easy to access and there are times it comes in very handy. Like when I bought my new mountain bike. I picked it up in person and just paypal'd the guy $2500. I know paypal can suck but you can avoid high risk situations *like ebay*. If you think something might be sketchy, just use a credit card, they'll have your back. My saving/checking account at my local bank gets 0.5% interest.

mipes · Apr 19, 2008, 07:10 AM

it should ban itself

mipes · Apr 19, 2008, 07:13 AM

i mean the biggest issue is with their system not with browsers

vmarks · Apr 19, 2008, 03:12 PM

ban safari? Unpossible. That would open the door for google checkout to take off.

Doofy · Apr 19, 2008, 03:55 PM

This is a coincidence - my copies of Safari banned PayPal years ago.

l008com · Apr 19, 2008, 04:01 PM

How would these phishing blocks work? How do they know when a web page is supposed to look like paypal for example?

turtle777 · Apr 19, 2008, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by l008com

How would these phishing blocks work? How do they know when a web page is supposed to look like paypal for example?

I thought they work with blacklisted URLs.

-t

Chuckit · Apr 19, 2008, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by l008com

I hardly use ebay at all these days. I do very little with my paypal account other than let money sit in it. It has dropped now, but the interest was at 5.05% for years, thats pretty good.

Bank of Internet offers 2% for a savings account and 3.46% for money market accounts and CDs — and they have the added bonus of being an actual bank.

torsoboy · Apr 19, 2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by vmarks

ban safari? Unpossible. That would open the door for google checkout to take off.

lol

Safari has *very* limited appeal. I doubt any business would feel the difference of that pos being taken off the market.

turtle777 · Apr 19, 2008, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by torsoboy

lol

Safari has *very* limited appeal. I doubt any business would feel the difference of that pos being taken off the market.

Yes, it's people like YOU that make idiotic business decisions.

Safari might now have the largest share, but Safari user have plenty of coin.
Piss them off, and see your business go somewhere else. Guaranteed.

-t

Chuckit · Apr 19, 2008, 04:51 PM

Yes, as a primarily Mac-based browser, Safari has limited appeal to businesses. But if you don't feel the Mac is significant in any way, I have to wonder what you're doing on a Mac discussion forum.

Wiskedjak · Apr 19, 2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Yes, as a primarily Mac-based browser, Safari has limited appeal to businesses. But if you don't feel the Mac is significant in any way, I have to wonder what you're doing on a Mac discussion forum.

Safari does not equal Mac. Not liking Safari does not equal not liking Mac.

I had a friend who, many years ago, really liked a particular Microsoft mouse, but purchased the more expensive Apple one because he felt he must.

brassplayersrock² · Apr 19, 2008, 06:05 PM

and i remember correctly, he went back to the microsoft mouse.

Chuckit · Apr 19, 2008, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Safari does not equal Mac. Not liking Safari does not equal not liking Mac.

No, but thinking Safari insignificant does more or less equal thinking Mac insignificant, since Safari is the default and most popular browser on the Mac.

torsoboy · Apr 19, 2008, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Yes, as a primarily Mac-based browser, Safari has limited appeal to businesses. But if you don't feel the Mac is significant in any way, I have to wonder what you're doing on a Mac discussion forum.

Originally Posted by Chuckit

No, but thinking Safari insignificant does more or less equal thinking Mac insignificant, since Safari is the default and most popular browser on the Mac.

Like was said above by someone else, Safari does not equal Mac. If Safari was suddenly gone tomorrow (oh the horrors!) everyone that is not already using it would move to Firefox (or Flock or Opera) in about 3 seconds. And if PayPal did not allow Safari to use its site, people would use FireFox when they wanted to do PayPal.

I use multiple browsers depending on what I am looking at, it's really not a big deal. Sooo, the moral of the story is that you people should probably just take a deep breath and get a grip, it's just a browser for crying out loud.

As we all know, Safari will most likely just get an update to support the green security bar. *Whew* crisis averted!

Wiskedjak · Apr 19, 2008, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

No, but thinking Safari insignificant does more or less equal thinking Mac insignificant, since Safari is the default and most popular browser on the Mac.

You just said "No, but yes"

I prefer MacOS to Windows. I prefer Firefox to IE. I prefer IE to Safari.

Chuckit · Apr 19, 2008, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by torsoboy

Like was said above by someone else, Safari does not equal Mac. If Safari was suddenly gone tomorrow (oh the horrors!) everyone that is not already using it would move to Firefox (or Flock or Opera) in about 3 seconds. And if PayPal did not allow Safari to use its site, people would use FireFox when they wanted to do PayPal.

I use multiple browsers depending on what I am looking at, it's really not a big deal.

That's exactly my point. You use multiple browsers, so this is not really a big deal for you. You're projecting your computer usage patterns onto the majority of users. You and I are not typical. A lot of people just use Safari and that's it. I support fledgling Mac users seven days a week, and I know from experience, if your site doesn't work on the one browser that's in their Dock, they are just going to decide your site is broken and leave. They are not going to track down Opera, Firefox, iCab, Flock and seven other browsers to compare and contrast.

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

You just said "No, but yes"

No, I didn't. I'm not equating Safari with Macs. I'm saying that Safari is an extremely freakin' major Mac app — as in, the only browser that comes installed on any Mac — so the only way it could be insignificant is if the Mac platform as a whole doesn't matter. You can think Safari is no good and it doesn't mean the Mac is no good, and you can think Safari is slow without thinking the Mac is slow, but the only way something that is significant on the Mac could be insignificant in the big picture is if the Mac itself is insignificant. Does that make sense to you?

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

I prefer MacOS to Windows. I prefer Firefox to IE. I prefer IE to Safari.

I'm not sure why Web standards bother you so much, but I guess that's OK.

I personally think Firefox is a terrible Mac program (although I do appreciate the free coffee breaks due to random lockups), but it's OK as a PC program.

glideslope · Apr 19, 2008, 08:59 PM

Paypal issued a statement late today that they have no intention of banning Safari. They were more in the mind set of IE4 on Win 98 as a problem. Case closed. Close thread.

brassplayersrock² · Apr 19, 2008, 09:52 PM

link to the issued statement please

Wiskedjak · Apr 19, 2008, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

No, I didn't. I'm not equating Safari with Macs. I'm saying that Safari is an extremely freakin' major Mac app — as in, the only browser that comes installed on any Mac — so the only way it could be insignificant is if the Mac platform as a whole doesn't matter. You can think Safari is no good and it doesn't mean the Mac is no good, and you can think Safari is slow without thinking the Mac is slow, but the only way something that is significant on the Mac could be insignificant in the big picture is if the Mac itself is insignificant. Does that make sense to you?

I can understand the logic that leads you to your conclusion, in that Mac users who aren't aware of other browsers might be screwed if PayPal were to block Safari, though I still disagree that Safari being insignificant = Mac being insignificant. The only reason that Safari is an "extremely freakin' major" Mac app is because it's the only browser that Apple chooses to let a Mac come installed with. At one time, IE was the only browser that came installed on any Mac.

But, if Safari being insignificant does= Mac being insignificant, then Apple had better pick up the pace and bring Safari up to par with the other major browsers.

Doofy · Apr 19, 2008, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by glideslope

Paypal issued a statement late today that they have no intention of banning Safari.

This is still not a good reason for using PayPal for anything, ever.

Laminar · Apr 19, 2008, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²

link to the issued statement please

Browsers - PayPal: Safari Not Among 'Unsafe Browsers' - Ryan Naraine's Security Watch

brassplayersrock² · Apr 19, 2008, 10:16 PM

thanks lammy

brassplayersrock² · 01:20 AM

*opps*

TETENAL · Apr 20, 2008, 06:51 PM

The irony with PayPal wanting browsers to support Extended Validation certificates is that they themselves did not implement them correctly on their site and Opera for example will not show the green address bar on paypal.com:

"I have started to notice something that could become a problem: Not all EV sites, such as Verisign's and PayPal's sites, are coded the way I think they should be coded, or the way Opera's EV support need to be able to recognize them as EV sites.

[…] Opera's EV support does not consider the site to be an EV site."

It ain't EV 'til it's EV, all EV - Implementer's notes - by Yngve Nysæter Pettersen

mipes · Apr 22, 2008, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

You keep money in Paypal ?

Seriously, this is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Don't you know that Paypal can freeze your account for any and no reason, even dumb and stupid mistakes on their part ?

-t

that's true. it's useful for payments but absolutely insecure (and not only for the above reason) for keepin money

TETENAL · Sep 19, 2008, 10:34 AM

Ebay/Paypal are now blocking Safari. That will make Paypal payments so much safer, as soon as phishing sites introduce the Safari-blocking as well.

http://macnews.de/news/111232.html

zro · 01:06 PM

Yeah, I'll get right on using Internet Explorer for Mac instead.

Does changing the user agent get past it?

Dakar V · Sep 19, 2008, 10:39 AM

I'm glad I got that last Ventures Brothers tshirt before this kicked in.

Laminar · Sep 19, 2008, 11:06 AM

It still works for me on Safari 3.1.2: