[mattyb]

I knew it.

Besides the line above, I won't put what I think about the article (yet). Just the messenger don't you know.

[lpkmckenna]

Since Andrea Dworkin wrote about pornography as being anti-women in the early 1980s, we have become acclimatised to the idea that porn is bad for us, and must only be tolerated due to reasons of democracy and liberalism. In the past 30 years this idea has largely gone unchallenged outside academia and, in the process, feminism has been conflated with the anti-porn position. We have effectively been neuro-linguistically programmed to equate porn with harm.

I don't personally know any people who agree with this. Pretty much everyone I know thinks it is harmless in moderation. And I think this assessment of academia is way over-generalized. Even in the women's studies department, the attitude to porn is much more nuanced than this, never mind what they might say in the engineering or computing departments.

[subego]

Its manufacturing is kind of slimy.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by subego 

Its manufacturing is kind of slimy.

He said the key word was tasteful!

[subego]

"They made me take off my top."

[Monique]

As long as it is between consenting adults it is none of my business.

[Chongo]

These folks would beg to differ.
Addressing The Porn Pandemic: Peer-Reviewed Research, along with News and Opinions

And it's not just men:
Woman, 18, allegedly entered East Bethel house via dog door; told police she needed money for porn - TwinCities.com

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Woman, 18, allegedly entered East Bethel house via dog door; told police she needed money for porn - TwinCities.com

That money would be better spent on Roaccutane.

But seriously, Chongo: Is it really wise to infer a general principle from a particular instance? My friend is an alcoholic. Does that mean alcohol is addictive and must be regarded as evil?

[finboy]

Originally Posted by Monique 

As long as it is between consenting adults it is none of my business.

I'd say so too, except that the industry treats young women (and men, I guess) like meat. Yes, the IDEA is a harmless one, but as with some illicit drugs, the whole industry behind it is the corrupt, abusing part that ruins lives.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by finboy 

I'd say so too, except that the industry treats young women (and men, I guess) like meat. Yes, the IDEA is a harmless one, but as with some illicit drugs, the whole industry behind it is the corrupt, abusing part that ruins lives.

This could easily be said of many industries. The fashion industry for instance.

[Shaddim]

Good? I guess it's fine to watch, but the business itself, and the atmosphere around it, isn't very healthy. Most women I know who have been involved in the adult film industry have had some serious health issues, not to mention the drug and alcohol addictions from the lifestyle surrounding it.

Overall, the consumption of porn may not be the evil that people think it is, but it's production is another matter. That doesn't mean I think it should be banned, I don't think that way. However, I do believe that it needs better monitoring and screening.

[screener]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Most women I know who have been involved in the adult film industry have had some serious health issues, not to mention the drug and alcohol addictions from the lifestyle surrounding it.

Really?
That bicycle of yours gets around.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by screener 

Really?
That bicycle of yours gets around.

Not sure what that means.

We know some former adult performers. Most have some hefty emotional issues and life-long medical problems from years of unprotected sex in an industry that should have more frequent screening. While it was their choice to get into the business, 18-20 is rather young to see the big picture of what that type of work can do to you. Some guy says, "hey, you can make $2k for 3 hours of your time", and that seems great. Then he introduces the young woman to the ten fellas she's going to be working with that afternoon...

Not much glamour to be had in it, but the money is real if they can avoid the drugs and infections. I guess it can work, if they look at it as a stepping stone and not a destination. Maybe take the $250k they can make in two years and use it for college or to start a business, but that seldom ever happens. Then, the money's gone, their looks fade, and they end up 25-going-on-40 and wondering WTF happened to it all.

[screener]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Not sure what that means.

http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...2/#post4092759

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Meh, 50% of the places I regularly go are easily within bicycle distance, <10mi, and I live quite a ways out in the country. It can be done but most people are just too fat and lazy. You know, those obese slugs plowing through Kroger pushing carts burdened down with the most unhealthy shit you could possibly imagine, with an equally fat 5-10 y/o rugrat with underdeveloped legs wedged into the infant seat. In other words, it's the typical American consumer.

I called bull then and now.

[Waragainstsleep]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

These folks would beg to differ.
Addressing The Porn Pandemic: Peer-Reviewed Research, along with News and Opinions

And it's not just men:
Woman, 18, allegedly entered East Bethel house via dog door; told police she needed money for porn - TwinCities.com

She's a teenager so it could be regular acne but her skin suggests to me a different kind of addiction.

[Waragainstsleep]

Does anyone else think that porn and sex crimes would be less traumatic if society didn't condition everyone to be monogamous or (for lack of a better word) reserved or generally make such a big deal about it?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by screener 

http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...2/#post4092759

I called bull then and now.

Not sure what my recreational bicycling has to do with the porn industry, but whatever makes you happy.

Not that I see you as being very happy, TBH. You're much too aggressive and hostile, have you considered a good therapist?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Does anyone else think that porn and sex crimes would be less traumatic if society didn't condition everyone to be monogamous or (for lack of a better word) reserved or generally make such a big deal about it?

I think that's more to do with communication and the dogmatic view that sex is somehow dirty or corrupting. There's really nothing wrong with committing to a person or being reserved, it's the heavy-handed way some people like to enforce their moral agendas that annoys me.

I just want a gov't that keeps it nose out of my bedroom and it's hand out of my wallet, but unfortunately you can only choose one of the other.

[screener]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Not sure what my recreational bicycling has to do with the porn industry, but whatever makes you happy.

Not that I see you as being very happy, TBH. You're much too aggressive and hostile, have you considered a good therapist?

50% of the places you go are recreational huh?
I guess that's how you know some former "adult performers" huh?

I have so much fun making fun of chuckleheads in my real life that I just had to take it on the road, so to speak.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

And it's not just men:
Woman, 18, allegedly entered East Bethel house via dog door; told police she needed money for porn - TwinCities.com

Shenanigans.

No one pays for porn.

[subego]

Originally Posted by finboy 

I'd say so too, except that the industry treats young women (and men, I guess) like meat. Yes, the IDEA is a harmless one, but as with some illicit drugs, the whole industry behind it is the corrupt, abusing part that ruins lives.

As someone who's worked with legit actors...

95% are meat.

[andi*pandi]

Anyone who doesn't do porn to put themselves through college is elitist and looking down at everyone. According to Scott Brown anyhow. We should all embrace it!

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by screener 

50% of the places you go are recreational huh?
I guess that's how you know some former "adult performers" huh?

I have so much fun making fun of chuckleheads in my real life that I just had to take it on the road, so to speak.

I said, "50% of the places I go are within biking distance", not "50% of the places I go I ride a bike". I know, it's a reading comprehension thing, chucklehead.

Still not sure what this has to do with the discussion, and why you're derailing it. Care to explain it?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

Anyone who doesn't do porn to put themselves through college is elitist and looking down at everyone. According to Scott Brown anyhow. We should all embrace it!

Scott Brown didn't do porn.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Not sure what my recreational bicycling has to do with the porn industry, but whatever makes you happy.

[Shaddim]

That's cute, but still not getting it.

[The Final Dakar]

Getting what?

[Shaddim]

What riding a bicycle has to do with the adult film industry. Screamer seems to be losing his focus in these discussions lately.

[The Final Dakar]

Oh I don't know. I just wanted to post a funny picture.

[screener]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I said, "50% of the places I go are within biking distance", not "50% of the places I go I ride a bike". I know, it's a reading comprehension thing, chucklehead.

I see, the recreational bit you added in this thread.

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Still not sure what this has to do with the discussion, and why you're derailing it. Care to explain it?

I remembered you ride a bike.
You said most women you know in the adult film industry.
Not a lot of people know one, let alone numerous women in the sex industry.
Hence, your bike gets around.

I thought it was humorous.

[andi*pandi]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Scott Brown didn't do porn.

print, video... tomato, tomahto. I'm sure he's down with it.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by screener 

Not a lot of people know one, let alone numerous women in the sex industry.

It's likely because there are 5 studios nearby, one of which is run by Vivid. My wife is a former exotic dancer/escort, she knew many of these women back when she was doing that sort of thing. They still come over and hang out sometimes.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

print, video... tomato, tomahto. I'm sure he's down with it.

I just don't see nudity as pornographic, but that's just my opinion.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I said, "50% of the places I go are within biking distance", not "50% of the places I go I ride a bike". I know, it's a reading comprehension thing, chucklehead.

Still not sure what this has to do with the discussion, and why you're derailing it. Care to explain it?

Does your bicycle have a basket attached to the handlebars?

[screener]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Does your bicycle have a basket attached to the handlebars?

I kinda had this image in mind,

[screener]

Or just a bag,

[besson3c]

The randomness and weirdness of thinking of Shaddim's bicycle in this porn thread made me laugh screener, I have to admit. I don't know what you were thinking, but thanks

[screener]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

The randomness and weirdness of thinking of Shaddim's bicycle in this porn thread made me laugh screener, I have to admit. I don't know what you were thinking, but thanks

It'll become clear soon, I think.

[Shaddim]

Oh well, I suppose it is better than him sitting behind his keyboard swearing at people because he can't form a cogent argument.

[screener]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Oh well, I suppose it is better than him sitting behind his keyboard swearing at people because he can't form a cogent argument.

No sense of humor, thin skinned.
Odd.
I would think you'd need it considering your wife's previous profession.
People can be mean.

But good on you for not letting some ones past mess up a relationship.
Maybe it would help to understand some of those obese slugs, those slackers protesting wall street and the banks.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by screener 

No sense of humor, thin skinned.
Odd.
I would think you'd need it considering your wife's previous profession.
People can be mean.

But good on you for not letting some ones past mess up a relationship.
Maybe it would help to understand some of those obese slugs, those slackers protesting wall street and the banks.

Still trying to provoke me. Grow up, already.