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Originally Posted by badidea
If you pull a knife in a fist-fight, then YOU are the criminal you're trying to defend yourself from!
What besson said.
Almost, I wouldn't say anything stupid like that before I leave!
Who said anything about pulling a knife in a fist fight? I didn't, and I haven't been in a fist fight in over 50 years. You're the one who brought up the fist fight analogy.
What if you don't have the option to leave? Again, you're making absolute statements, and the world isn't absolute; it's shades of grey. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean others haven't, or might not. That's the point, which I'm sure you'll miss, because everything that doesn't fit your compartmentalized little world is "stupid."
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Originally Posted by badidea
Almost, I wouldn't say anything stupid like that before I leave!
Something along the lines of "Is that Lady Gaga?" While pointing over your attackers shoulder might not be a bad idea.
Or maybe "Don't shoot officer!" while looking past them and raising your hands.
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Originally Posted by OldManMac
Who said anything about pulling a knife in a fist fight? I didn't, and I haven't been in a fist fight in over 50 years.
Knife fight: More or less likely? Go!
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If you have a knife, knife fight.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
Do you carry a knife? I mean, I'm not talking about a Swiss Army type knife, although I like those. I'm referring to something larger. I think I'd like to start carrying one. Just cuz - hopefully I'd never have to use it for anything other than utilitarian purposes.
I'd carry a gun, but I live in a state that doesn't recognize my Constitutional right to do such a thing.
For cutting seat belts I carry a SOG with a seat belts slot. Every day. I don't leave the house without a seat belt knife on my person.
If you've ever been cut out of seat belts you'll understand why.
Of course it would be handy in a knife fight, but I'll never need it for that. Gun >> knife >> foot >> fist >> dirty look.
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Living in a state of paranoia is no way to live, so why live afraid of what could happen?
I couldn't imagine living in fear of being attacked. I live in Canada's most crime ridden city and I still feel safe even on skid row. It really is not ever a thought about having a weapon on me.
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There is something to be said for American news media being fear based. There is a lot of stuff out there to be afraid of.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
Sounds like you were ill-prepared for the rigors of daily life before.
Well, it's nice to carry around one small thing that does the work of 3, 4, or 10 other instruments.
The latter two sound like shit you'd do when you're bored out of your skull or OCD.
They add up.
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I used to carry a swiss army knife, it was very useful. But now I rarely go anyplace that doesn't have scissors or regular knives handy.
For self-defense I'd rather have mace.
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Do you know any guys that carry mace?
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It seems like for self defense purposes mace would be superior to a knife, but I've never heard of a guy carrying around mace, I guess because it is not masculine, and the manner in which we defend ourselves has to be masculine?
I'm sure that there are far fewer women carrying around non-mace weapons too, cause that would be butch.
Where do bazookas fall on the masculinity scale? Have any of you guys ever fired one?
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Funny thing here is that mace and pepper spray is illegal here while technically a knife isn't making a knife a better option.
This thread makes me think of one thing though..
You call that a knife.
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Originally Posted by finboy
For cutting seat belts I carry a SOG with a seat belt slot. Every day. I don't leave the house without a seat belt knife on my person.
If you've ever been cut out of seat belts you'll understand why.
Of course it would be handy in a knife fight, but I'll never need it for that. Gun >> knife >> foot >> fist >> dirty look.
I don't usually carry a gun these days. Regardless of Texas' concealed handgun license, it's tough to pull off if you are following the rules - no guns in stores, at work, etc. Plus, the law holds you MORE accountable if you have a CHL.
But I'll never get in a knife fight, either, because the crook is liable to pull a gun. A knife fight still requires physicality that I probably don't have. Flight is much easier.
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Originally Posted by besson3c
Where do bazookas fall on the masculinity scale? Have any of you guys ever fired one?
Masculine yes, but not very practical in close combat.
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Originally Posted by Gankdawg
A cheap Primos folder.....and a Glock 19.
I prefer a GLOCK 21 on the hip, and a Ruger LCP on the ankle.
Back on topic, I do carry Nail Clippers.
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi
I remember from back in my college days both blades longer than 7" and double edged blades were illegal.
Of course, so was pot, and we had that too.
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I found it incredibly silly that what my dad was able to just walk into a Maine police supply store and buy, you needed a permit for in Boston.
That was also a long time ago.
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Originally Posted by Athens
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I couldn't imagine living in fear of being attacked. I live in Canada's most crime ridden city and I still feel safe even on skid row. It really is not ever a thought about having a weapon on me.
It has nothing to do with a "fear of being attacked". But we are getting into PL material and off topic.
On topic, I carry a Benchmade folder.
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Originally Posted by OldManMac
Who said anything about pulling a knife in a fist fight? I didn't, and I haven't been in a fist fight in over 50 years. You're the one who brought up the fist fight analogy.
Yes, YOU did!
In my first post, I was addressing the foolish idea of carrying a knife for self-defense and brought up different analogies to make my point.
You decided to answer to my fist-fight analogy in a way which made it pretty clear that you don't agree that a knife (or any other pontentally lethal weapon) shouldn't be involved!
Originally Posted by OldManMac
What if you don't have the option to leave?
No option to leave a knife-fight??? Then it's either already to late to defend yourself anyway or defending youself with a knife is not a very brilliant idea...
Originally Posted by OldManMac
Again, you're making absolute statements, and the world isn't absolute; it's shades of grey. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean others haven't, or might not. That's the point, which I'm sure you'll miss, because everything that doesn't fit your compartmentalized little world is "stupid."
Of course I'm making absolute statements about how stupid it is to carry a knife for self-defense...because that's my opinion about this crazy idea! There are no shades of grey in my own opinion here!
I agree though that the world isn't absolute...
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I don't know what could be construed as stupid about it. It's not a gun, and you don't have great range with it, but it can still be a deadly weapon. Why do special forces carry them and train to use them in close quarters combat if they're so dumb for such purposes?
Also Brock Samson fights with a giant knife, which is well known. I rest my case.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
You ride a bike to work? Are you sure you're a Republican? Hahaha, I'm joking I'm joking.
Weather permitting, I like to ride.
Otherwise my daily driver is the ever eco-conscious Jeep Wrangler Sport.
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Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa
On topic, I carry a Benchmade folder.
which one?
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I always write long posts for these kinds of threads but then never post them - I've got one in my clipboard right now.
Problem is, I always feel like a Hell's Angel at a tea party. Don't wanna scare you ladies.
<insert fight club stories here>
... so, to sum up, I carried a knife when I felt I needed to. Turns out I was right.
These days I am relatively secure in my life. I don't have any crazy violent assholes after me. Sure, I have a big stabby knife on my desk in front of me now, but it's just for opening boxes. And it stays on the desk.
Smith & Wesson. lol.
Hardly any blood on it at all.
It's the baseball bat in the bedroom closet that's reserved for any bad guys.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
I don't know what could be construed as stupid about it.
You're escalating the conflict and put yourself in harms way, that's what is stupid about it.
Originally Posted by Big Mac
Why do special forces carry them and train to use them in close quarters combat if they're so dumb for such purposes?
… because none of us are special forces guys -- not just in terms of abilities and training, but also when it comes to the legal framework.
Back on topic: I have a Swiss army knife, the model they used to use in the Swiss army. It's been with me for over 10 years and still works like a charm.
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie
You're escalating the conflict and put yourself in harms way, that's what is stupid about it.
What if you're already in harm's way?
It was one of your hippy gurus - Art Garfunkel - who sang "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail".
If he could, he surely would.
Now would you let Art Garfunkel bang you?
I rest my case.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
Why do special forces carry them and train to use them in close quarters combat if they're so dumb for such purposes?
They don't make noise.
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Originally Posted by Face Ache
It's the baseball bat in the bedroom closet that's reserved for any bad guys.
My bedroom is not up to code (no windows), so I happen to have a fire axe under my bed in case the worst happens.
Or if there's a fire.
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Okay it turns out Paul Simon was singing the main vocals on that track, and Art Garfunkel was only singing backup.
But now you're gonna get banged by a backup singer, and that's even worse.
No, don't whine. Now you're Art Garfunkel's bitch. You bought a nail to a hammer fight.
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Btw, in case anyone is unclear, I'd only resort to a weapon-any weapon-for defensive purposes as a last resort. I live in a safe area, and I'm not blade or trigger happy. But I also don't think it's foolish to recognize the potential defensive uses of knives, guns and other such implements.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
Btw, in case anyone is unclear, I'd only resort to a weapon-any weapon-for defensive purposes as a last resort. I'm not blade or trigger happy. But I also don't think it's foolish to recognize the potential defensive uses of knives or guns.
Here's the deal:
It takes months of training to be any good with a knife.
You'd be safer without a knife than having a knife and thinking you know how to use it.
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Originally Posted by subego
Here's the deal:
It takes months of training to be any good with a knife.
You'd be safer without a knife than having a knife and thinking you know how to use it.
The pointy end goes in. It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it. If you're holding the pointy end, you're doing it wrong.
I once disarmed a nutter with a carving knife by grabbing the blade. He was going after his girlfriend and I grabbed it as he ran past. Cut my hand up pretty good.
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You're quite the bad ass, Face Ache! I don't think I'd do the same given a similar situation, especially not for a stranger. I also imagine I'd look to sweep the legs instead of grabbing the pointy end.
I agree with your assessment though. I don't think you have to train with a knife to get essential use out of it. It's a simple point and stab/slash interface.
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Originally Posted by Face Ache
I once disarmed a nutter with a carving knife by grabbing the blade. He was going after his girlfriend and I grabbed it as he ran past. Cut my hand up pretty good.
Precisely my point. Most normal people wouldn't try this maneuver.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
You're quite the bad ass, Face Ache! I don't think I'd do the same given a similar situation, especially not for a stranger. I also imagine I'd look to sweep the legs instead of grabbing the pointy end.
Actually I was just kinda drunk and did it without thinking.
Aforementioned nutter hung himself a month later.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
I agree with your assessment though. I don't think you have to train with a knife to get essential use out of it. It's a simple point and stab/slash interface.
So's my fist.
I can get essential use out of it without training, but as I lack said training I wouldn't actually try except in the most desperate situations.
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Originally Posted by Face Ache
What if you're already in harm's way?
Then you should run away if you can.
Of course, you can always make up a situation where violence is inevitable. Where you then give me the choice between being backed into a corner unarmed or with a knife in my right hand. As a weapon of last resort, a knife would be useful, yes (so would a number of other objects, e. g. my 80-200 mm Nikkor which converts my D7000 into a 2.2 kg high-tech club). But if you want to minimize bodily harm, backing out is the more sensible option.
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On a different board I hang out on, one of the members, who was homeless for a spell, defended himself with one of those oversized barbecue spatulas. The kind with the teeth.
He said its main benefits, past being a rather vicious weapon, is that the cops wouldn't confiscate it the way they might a knife, and it would startle anyone he pulled it on, which he said gave him the necessary advantage on more than one occasion.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
Btw, in case anyone is unclear, I'd only resort to a weapon-any weapon-for defensive purposes as a last resort. I live in a safe area, and I'm not blade or trigger happy. But I also don't think it's foolish to recognize the potential defensive uses of knives, guns and other such implements.
I think the biggest mistake people make by having weapons in a house for self defense is not training with the weapons. Having it is not enough. Knowing how to use it is very important. Its why I spend at least one day a week at the range making sure my skills are good if the day ever came I needed to use a gun in self defense. If some one isn't going to commit to training I don't think they should have the weapon because when they go to use it they very well could end up dead where as if they didn't have it they might just get robbed or raped but still be living the next day. But knives and guns absolutely have a defensive use, but a lot of people lack the defensive training to use it defensively and foolishly think just having it is enough.
I've just recently started training my 12 year old Cuz with firearms. Untitled on Vimeo I still need to actually train with a knife. Part of the reason I don't see a knife for self defense for myself because I have not trained in self defense with one yet.
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Originally Posted by Face Ache
The pointy end goes in. It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it. If you're holding the pointy end, you're doing it wrong.
I once disarmed a nutter with a carving knife by grabbing the blade. He was going after his girlfriend and I grabbed it as he ran past. Cut my hand up pretty good.
With out the training that knife you think you are using to defend yourself with can easily be used to end your own life by some one with some training. Its a good thing most criminals don't have any training and pretty stupid. But that's not always the case in a road rage incident or at a bar fight. A friend who was in the regular forces for 6 years demonstrated on me how easy it was for some one to turn the knife I am holding into something sticking out of my own chest in a matter of seconds. Besides if you learn the skills to use a knife in combat you also pick up the skills to take a knife from some one else.
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Originally Posted by subego
Meh.
Risk management ≠ risk elimination
Actually, Risk Management is about knowing when to walk away.
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Originally Posted by Face Ache
I once disarmed a nutter with a carving knife by grabbing the blade. He was going after his girlfriend and I grabbed it as he ran past. Cut my hand up pretty good.
You're no Chuck Norris, but apparently you think you are.
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You've got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away... know when to run.
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I carry a revolver. (Smith and Wesson model 29)
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Originally Posted by badidea
Yes, YOU did!
In my first post, I was addressing the foolish idea of carrying a knife for self-defense and brought up different analogies to make my point.
You decided to answer to my fist-fight analogy in a way which made it pretty clear that you don't agree that a knife (or any other pontentally lethal weapon) shouldn't be involved!
No option to leave a knife-fight??? Then it's either already to late to defend yourself anyway or defending youself with a knife is not a very brilliant idea...
Of course I'm making absolute statements about how stupid it is to carry a knife for self-defense...because that's my opinion about this crazy idea! There are no shades of grey in my own opinion here!
I agree though that the world isn't absolute...
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it? I said nothing about a fist fight until you brought it up. All I said was I carry a knife, and then you said that carrying a knife for self defense is stupid. I then pointed out some of the flaws in your logic, and then replied that no one had brought the subject up until you did.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
You're no Chuck Norris, but apparently you think you are.
I'm nothing like Chuck Norris. More like Batman!
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Originally Posted by Face Ache
I'm nothing like Chuck Norris. More like Batman!
Bat paint is horribly nasty, have you ever come across it? I hope you are Batman minus the bat paints.
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