[7Macfreak]

just wondering.
and those of you that are NOT, wanna post if you have pets or not?

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Well no red meat, chicken and fish SOMETIMES for the past 13 years.

[scaught]

um. if you consider 8 years ago to be "recently"...

[BasketofPuppies]

Meat tastes good. And so do dairy products.

And I'm not gonna eat that much peanut butter to get my protein.

My parents own a cat, but he doesn't look like he would taste good.

And yes, the cat eats meat too.

[Superchicken]

If God didn't want me to eat animals He wouldn't have made them out of meat.

[DeathMan]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
If God didn't want me to eat animals He wouldn't have made them out of food.

I like it better that way. People are made out of meat, but I don't think God intended us to eat human flesh.

[Superchicken]

What you're not a canabol? It's all the rage up here

[Mastrap]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
What you're not a canabol? It's all the rage up here

Wtf is it with you and spelling? You've finished high school AFAIK and this is the best you can up with?

Or are you dyslexic? In which case I'll be very apologetic indeed

[phantomdragonz]

Originally posted by Mastrap:
Wtf is it with you and spelling? You've finished high school AFAIK and this is the best you can up with?

Or are you dyslexic? In which case I'll be very apologetic indeed.

for some reason that just made me laugh... canabol.... I love safari, for when i do things like that it underlines it.... OSX is my god... I want to right click the red line!

P.D.

[Superchicken]

Uhh... well my guidance councelor says she thinks it's ADD, but whatever I am not gona use that as some sorta I'm never gona learn to spell. But most of the time non common words tend to simply be spelled the way that makes sense in my head which is never correct because I simply can't remember how to spell them. I can read fine although slow, I just never really learn to spell from reading.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
Uhh... well my guidance councelor says she thinks it's ADD, but whatever I am not gona use that as some sorta I'm never gona learn to spell. But most of the time non common words tend to simply be spelled the way that makes sense in my head which is never correct because I simply can't remember how to spell them. I can read fine although slow, I just never really learn to spell from reading.

You might be dyslexic. Do a test for dyslexia diagnosis.

Originally posted by 7Macfreak:
just wondering.
and those of you that are NOT, wanna post if you have pets or not?

No, I am not, and I find the concept absurd. Yes, we have pets.

[BasketofPuppies]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
If God didn't want me to eat animals He wouldn't have made them out of meat.

You got it wrong. It's:

If God didn't intend man to eat animals, then why did He make them out of food?

[icruise]

I've been a vegetarian for 16 years and I've never understood why people feel the need to make fun of us. I suppose it's the same reason some people find Mac users and homosexuals threatening (and no, I'm not equating these groups).

[keekeeree]

Originally posted by 7Macfreak:
just wondering.
and those of you that are NOT, wanna post if you have pets or not?

Yup...I'm definitely not a vegetarian (mmm...red meat cooked medium rare with just a little seasoning and salt...mmm). And yes, I have a pet...he's a cat named Flynt. He's an ornery bastard that I love to death (well, me not being a vegetarian and loving my cat to death might not be the most appropriate choice of words, but oh well )

Out of curiousity, what the hell does vegetarianism and owning pets have to do with each other?

Oh, and I don't make fun of vegetarians. My Mom is one. A real one, not one of these "Gee, my conscience got the better of me" vegetarians. She hasn't eaten meat from birth...as a child, she couldn't swallow it...just spit it right out. Had nothing to do with the animal, just couldn't eat meat. We always had turkey at Thanksgiving, fished with our Dad, and grilled out with steaks and hamburgers. It was her hangup (preference) and she never forced it on us.

[shmerek]

Haven't eaten any meat since 1989 and I never will, unless I am stranded on a deserted island and then I will eat who ever is stuck there with me.
<flamebait for the meateaters>
If and when I have kids my house will not serve any meat, if they want to try it when they are older fine but not in my house.
</flamebait for the meateaters>

[Powaqqatsi]

No I'm not a vegitarian, it's unhealthy.

[shmerek]

Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:
No I'm not a vegitarian, it's unhealthy.

I'm not a meat eater, it's unhealthy

[Sherwin]

Yep, 15 years and counting.

Pets (for the record): 5 cats, 2 goats, 2 really small cows.

Health (for the record): My lack of meat/fish consumption doesn't appear to have killed me yet.

[IUJHJSDHE]

Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:
No I'm not a vegitarian, it's unhealthy.

A simple no would have been better, thats just asking to be flamed. (not by me, but I have seen HUGE arguments over that)

I am not a vegetarian, and have no plans to become one.

By the way you should have an option for "Not at the moment"

[chris v]

Your poll is screwed up.

I used to be a vegetarian, AND I like the beach.

CV

[Powaqqatsi]

Originally posted by IUJHJSDHE:
A simple no would have been better, thats just asking to be flamed. (not by me, but I have seen HUGE arguments over that)

I am not a vegetarian, and have no plans to become one.

By the way you should have an option for "Not at the moment"

Yeah, I know. I could talk a lot about this stuff but I will avoid starting a flamewar. BTW I like the beach also

[benb]

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
You got it wrong. It's:

If God didn't intend man to eat animals, then why did He make them out of food?

I thought it was:

If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why are they stuffed with meat?

[benb]

Originally posted by Sherwin:
Yep, 15 years and counting.

Pets (for the record): 5 cats, 2 goats, 2 really small cows.

Health (for the record): My lack of meat/fish consumption doesn't appear to have killed me yet.

May I ask what you are going to do with your veal then? Because I'll take it. I assume it is milk-fed?

Mmmm.

[Gankdawg]

Originally posted by benb:
I thought it was:

If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why are they stuffed with meat?

Especially the breakfast meats.....!!!

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by benb:
May I ask what you are going to do with your veal then? Because I'll take it.

You appear to be confusing really young cows with really small cows.

[philzilla]

Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:
Yeah, I know. I could talk a lot about this stuff but I will avoid starting a flamewar.

too late, ********.

how can it be unhealthy, if people are vegetarian their whole life? how many long-term vegetarians die from high cholesterol or suffer from obesity. you couldn't find a healthier diet. you lose.

for the record, i last ate formally-alive things about 13 years ago.

[Nonsuch]

I eat meat. My girlfriend is veggie; she'd go vegan if she could break her craving for cheese. Our two cats don't seem to care one way or another (though Linus, the boy cat, does tend to beg from me rather than her during mealtime).

[philzilla]

Originally posted by scaught:
um. if you consider 8 years ago to be "recently"...

yeah. stupid poll. i didn't bother voting, because 13 years isn't recently.

[wdlove]

I don't eat much red meat, but a lot of chicken and some fish. I love all kinds of vegetables. Have a salad every day.

[itomato]

It's not that meat's a dead animal for me, it's how it becomes meat in most of the world, and the degree of ignorance people have about it.

I may be asking for it, but I'll offer a perspective.

I'll wager that everyone here learned that you eat meat from their parents. They probably learned it from their parents, unless any of you have wolves/apes for Grandparents. Anyhow, your grandparents ate meats and eggs from places like this:


Now, since there are soooo many more people in the world, animal meat gets produced in a place like this:


It's not cost effective to do it any other way.

And it's not for me to say what's ultimately right.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by keekeeree:
Oh, and I don't make fun of vegetarians. My Mom is one. A real one, not one of these "Gee, my conscience got the better of me" vegetarians. She hasn't eaten meat from birth...as a child, she couldn't swallow it...just spit it right out. Had nothing to do with the animal, just couldn't eat meat. We always had turkey at Thanksgiving, fished with our Dad, and grilled out with steaks and hamburgers. It was her hangup (preference) and she never forced it on us.

He's trying to find a correlation saying that non-vegos are heartless bastards that have a dislike for pets.

Originally posted by shmerek:
Haven't eaten any meat since 1989 and I never will, unless I am stranded on a deserted island and then I will eat who ever is stuck there with me.
<flamebait for the meateaters>
If and when I have kids my house will not serve any meat, if they want to try it when they are older fine but not in my house.
</flamebait for the meateaters>

Flamebait indeed, but if you're serious, then you're lame. Make decisions for yourself, nobody else.

Why don't you eat meat? Taste? I doubt it. Ethics? Heh. Ethics didn't get us through the ice age. Sorry kiddo.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by itomato:
It's not that meat's a dead animal for me, it's how it becomes meat in most of the world, and the degree of ignorance people have about it.

I may be asking for it, but I'll offer a perspective.

I'll wager that everyone here learned that you eat meat from their parents. They probably learned it from their parents, unless any of you have wolves/apes for Grandparents. Anyhow, your grandparents ate meats and eggs from places like this:


Now, since there are soooo many more people in the world, animal meat gets produced in a place like this:


It's not cost effective to do it any other way.

And it's not for me to say what's ultimately right.

Blatent generalisation. You can still find free-range eggs, meat, milk, etc. Just not in a super-duper market.

[icruise]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Blatent generalisation. You can still find free-range eggs, meat, milk, etc. Just not in a super-duper market.

Just because you can still find it, doesn't mean that's what most people are eating.

[icruise]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
He's trying to find a correlation saying that non-vegos are heartless bastards that have a dislike for pets.

Um, that doesn't make any sense. He's trying to point out that it's inconsistent to love one kind of animal and to eat another.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Icruise:
Just because you can still find it, doesn't mean that's what most people are eating.

A claim I never made.

Originally posted by Icruise:
Um, that doesn't make any sense. He's trying to point out that it's inconsistent to love one kind of animal and to eat another.

1. Why is that inconsistent?
2. That's not necessarily true at all. Hell, I don't like cats. If they tasted good.....

[scaught]

Originally posted by keekeeree:
Oh, and I don't make fun of vegetarians. My Mom is one. A real one, not one of these "Gee, my conscience got the better of me" vegetarians. She hasn't eaten meat from birth.

right. a "real one".

[BasketofPuppies]

Originally posted by shmerek:
<flamebait for the meateaters>
If and when I have kids my house will not serve any meat, if they want to try it when they are older fine but not in my house.
</flamebait for the meateaters>

How's life in Utopia treating you?

[BasketofPuppies]

When you can convince all the animals of the world to stop eating other animals, I will too.

[shmerek]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
He's trying to find a correlation saying that non-vegos are heartless bastards that have a dislike for pets.



Flamebait indeed, but if you're serious, then you're lame. Make decisions for yourself, nobody else.

Why don't you eat meat? Taste? I doubt it. Ethics? Heh. Ethics didn't get us through the ice age. Sorry kiddo.

All parents make decisions for their children when they are growing up please . Should I let my future baby make his/her decisions at birth? Let me turn this around why shouldn't I say the same thing about people that feed their children meat? People eat meat our of tradition habit whatever, it isn't necessary anymore in order to maintain health, when the kid gets older and wants to eat meat that is their decision but I wouldn't force it on them.
For me it is about health and ethics two things that any parent would want to give their children.

[shmerek]

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
How's life in Utopia treating you?

Quite fine thank you

[Mastrap]

Humans evolved as omnivores. Our teeth, our digestive tracts are build to deal with both vegetable matter and meat. Vegetarianism is a personal choice, nothing more, nothing less. Not a choice I myself would make but definitely one I respect.

I had a superb steak for lunch

[7Macfreak]

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
When you can convince all the animals of the world to stop eating other animals, I will too.

unfortunately they lack the ability to REASON out things. or i'm sure some would think about it especially when there are better alternatives.

[7Macfreak]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
He's trying to find a correlation saying that non-vegos are heartless bastards that have a dislike for pets.


Why don't you eat meat? Taste? I doubt it. Ethics? Heh. Ethics didn't get us through the ice age. Sorry kiddo.

that's not what i was implying. but if that's what your guilty conscious tells you, then okay.

also i'm not vegetarian because someone told me to be. i just dont find the need to feast on another bloody living thing, mostly because there's always something else to eat. lots of variety even.
but that's just me.

1. Why is that inconsistent?
2. That's not necessarily true at all. Hell, I don't like cats. If they tasted good.....

use just one tea-spoon of logic and you'll be able to answer those questions yourself.

[BasketofPuppies]

Originally posted by 7Macfreak:
unfortunately they lack the ability to REASON out things. or i'm sure some would think about it especially when there are better alternatives.

My parents' pet cat seem well aware that the ants he plays with, kills, and eats are alive.

And if you give him a choice between a bowl of fruit and a bowl of meat, he's gonna go for the meat.

Sounds like he's capable of reasoning to me and has no problem eating other animals.

And I don't have a problem eating other animals either.

[7Macfreak]

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
My parents' pet cat seem well aware that the ants he plays with, kills, and eats are alive.

And if you give him a choice between a bowl of fruit and a bowl of meat, he's gonna go for the meat.

Sounds like he's capable of reasoning to me and has no problem eating other animals.

And I don't have a problem eating other animals either.

what you're talking about is conditioned reponse. not reasoning. they have the ability to recall similar past experiences and react accordingly. that's how a dog recognizes his master or owner or whatever.
for your cat, its a split second decision. it doesn't wait and THINK.. "oo where did the meat come from.. how healthy is it.." etc.

[icruise]

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
My parents' pet cat seem well aware that the ants he plays with, kills, and eats are alive.

And if you give him a choice between a bowl of fruit and a bowl of meat, he's gonna go for the meat.

Sounds like he's capable of reasoning to me and has no problem eating other animals.

And I don't have a problem eating other animals either.

How is this reasoning? But I do tend to agree that you've probably put about as much thought into your decision to eat meat as your cat...

[forkies]

this whole "animals do it so humans can/should too" argument is also used to defend homosexuality.

weird

[benb]

Originally posted by Sherwin:
You appear to be confusing really young cows with really small cows.

Oh. Sorry. I'll take the really small steaks then.

[Stradlater]

I don't understand vegetarians, and vegans are even nuttier. Humans evolved to eat meat and plants, so why deny your true nature?

Health? Fish are very healthy, indeed; people that have a diet heavy in seafood tend to live longer and lead healthier lives. Meat in general is not as unhealthy as vegetarians often preach.

Oh, and morality? Well, every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season:
1. Tractors and farm implements run over them.
2. Plows and cultivators destroy underground burrows and kill animals.
3. Removal of the crops (harvest) removes ground cover allowing animals on the surface to be killed by predators.
4. Application of pesticides.

So what do vegans have to say to that? Save one cow and kill a bunch of squirrels, field mice, birds and other small animals? The principle of least harm would suggest you eat beef, lamb and dairy, as pasture-raised food doesn't have as disastrous of an effect.

I eat meat and I have pets...not that I feel the two are in any way related.

...and I'm not saying a vegan diet is necessarily unhealthy, I'm just saying that people often go on such diets for the wrong reason. Search google for "vegan" and almost every source there tries to convince you to make the switch for the sake of morality and the animals (which goes back to the argument).

[Sherwin]

Hmmm... There seems to be a lot of discussion about humans evolving as omnivores and comparing us with animals.

I'll start believing that when I see people biting chunks out of living, uncooked cows/pigs/chickens/springboks.

Strange how no other carnivore/omnivore on the planet feels the need to cook their meat, no?