[zigzag]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
Clowns creep me out.

I've always been afraid of clowns. And manatees.

Clowns and manatees together, well, don't even get me started.

[iWrite]

by zigzag
I've always been afraid of clowns. And manatees.

Clowns and manatees together, well, don't even get me started.

ROFL!

[talisker]

Originally posted by Xeo:
Rosie O'Donnell

She's pretty well known here.

The voice of the octopus masseuse in The Flintstones: Viva Rock Vegas? Of course, how could I not have known about her?

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by zigzag:
Clowns and manatees together, well, don't even get me started.

Enough with the Rosie O'Donnell bashing already!!!



Or is it a "We all float down here.." thing?

[Cipher13]

I agree with cash.

Originally posted by drummin:
hence your problem -

they are not people, they are 'gay people' and until you can just see them as a person and not a gay person, you have a problem.

You don't get it, at all, do you? 10 posts? Troll...

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Sad thing is gay men can't go out 365 days a year because of the way straight men work. I promise you that if a gay couple was out for the day and holding hands they would be the victims of some sort of hateful remark.

Do don't feel like such a victim cuz you saw a bum one day of the year.

Of course they can. I see it all the time. I don't even give it a second thought, and nor do most people.

Seeing some guy with his ass showing, however - no thanks. THAT I won't tolerate. It's completely inappropriate.

Hold hands, walk arm-in-arm, but keep your pants on.

[AlbertWu]

let's have a "straight parade" in madison and see what cash says

[permanent68]

Originally posted by AlbertWu:
let's have a "straight parade" in madison and see what cash says

If you can organize one, go ahead. And again, although I really don't care/want to know how you like to get off, I won't give a crap. But... if you can organize a large group of people to drive around honking like psychos with big straight parade stickers on their car, then I'll probably start a thread bitching about straight people honking car horns and being obnoxious.

- Rob

[iWrite]

Cipher: You're the king of posts, guy! I couldn't believe your post count.

About a "straight parade," ha! It would be a wash. There'd be no notoriety about it, no perverse "Jerry Springer" atmosphere to it, no law-breaking nudity and obscenity, no horn-honking for hours straight, etc.

I'm for tolerance but if they were honking horns in front of my house I'd be locating and laying down tack strips in the street out there and laugh when they got flats.

[AKcrab]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
10 posts? Troll...

Originally posted by iWrite:
Cipher: You're the king of posts, guy! I couldn't believe your post count.

Post counts? BFD

[waxcrash]

Originally posted by permanent68:

. . .with big straight parade stickers on their car. . .

What would a straight parade sticker look like?

[Dogma]

At least they don't nearly cause wars with their marching. You really have never seen an orange walk.

These are the protestant dudes who insist on walking down the most catholic streets they know (how do they know? - I don't) just to stir up some **** that happened three hundred years ago - usually to the response of all and sundry (catholic, jewish, aetheist - whatever) to **** off and die the backwards thinking morons.

The worst ones are in Ireland when the Garda or Army have to seal off the roads - because it's their RIGHT to march and wind people up. It's scary, cause these people have very right wing views regarding anyone who isn't white and protestant - it's almost like having a bunch of neo-nazis marching in your home town. (Most of them support Rangers as well, so you can see the mentality of these people) Luckily, I think I'm moving down to Carlisle or something soon, so the only prejudices I'll have is that against my accent and beard...

This happens somewhere every weekend, and they have big debates when the anticapitalists or the war protestors come out?

[Dogma]

On the public display of human emotion issue - gay or straight aside. I was discussing with a friend the other day about the huge amount of people these days who will busk doing anything - any instrument, dancing, creating metal sculptures etc. We were thinking that it would be cool if you had porn busking...

A couple of people going at it hard on the sidewalk with some soft Jazz playing - A flatcap in front of them asking for donations...

Is it that far off?

[Demonhood]

i went to a gay pride parade this past weekend. it was conducted down a street mainly inhabited by businesses, so i don't think they disrupted too many folks. most of the apartments it passed had people on the steps/balconies/etc.. sitting outside and watching. it only lasted for 2.5 hours, in the middle of the day, so i don't think there were too many complaints. well, besides the 20 or so protestors that showed up.

as for sexual content, sure, it was a bit sexed up. but not really any more so than a same sex MTV dance party.

it's only held once a year, and everyone knows it's coming, so i don't see the problem. the irish have parades (as someone mentioned earlier), they have parades for religions, for sporting events, for ideas, for historic events, for love, for hate, for fish tacos, you name it. i don't have to support each subject, but i respect their right to gather and celebrate their heritage/culture/hobby/whatever.

{edit} oh, and i'll have pictures of this on my site within the week. so you can judge for yourself i guess.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

I think you straight guys are upset that you don't look as good as this:

[Superchicken]

Why on earth would I want to look like that? I just got accepted into bible college... I dout I'd do to well there if I was constnatly walking around shirtless and in leather... although ya never know... hmmmm....

[RAzaRazor]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
Why on earth would I want to look like that? I just got accepted into bible college... I dout I'd do to well there if I was constnatly walking around shirtless and in leather... although ya never know... hmmmm....

He was referring to being in shape and having a tan, you pale, doughy dolt.



Besides, most of us don't go to bible college and want a nice body to attact chicks. (The guys in the pic are overbuilt and kind of icky though.) Something you won't have to worry about at Bible school, because any girls will be hopped up on Jesus and wouldn't let a guy near their "holy" bits until well after the first year of marriage. (Just so they can be on the safe side.)

[Dogma]

Call me old fashioned - but I'm starting to get offended and undefended in my own little way...

I am pretty much man shape now, with all the bits in all the right places - groovy! One small problem - I am a man, and a hairy one. I have a classic heart shaped hairy chest, some serious facial hair and legs you could comb. You wouldn't really know it to look at me though.

The bad part is, I am now falling into the grooming trap. I now have hairs sprowting up in some awkward places, and am not really bothered by it personally, but namely my back is getting a bit of a plush added to it. The problem lies in all the girls magazines and comedy shows that take the mickey out of men with hairy backs. Girls that would say they would never go out with a man that had hairs on his back (it was bad enough when they complained about the chest)

Now, I'm not a waxer, and I don't intend to be. I am a man. I have hair. This should make me somewhat of an Alpha male. My current repost to any back hair derogators is to pronounce "Do you actually know what a man is? You prefer chests and the like to be hairless? In my book that makes you one of two things, a paedophile, or a lesbian, which one?"

The one thing I don't get about some gay men, is the prevalence of waxing. I would like to ask a man who admired the hairless form if he was actually gay, because men just ain't like that. The gay pals I have tend to fall into the "Man-fancier" category, i.e. they like their men to look like men - not breastless women...

Do you think I would have a case for mental damages against any comedy shows that make fun of back hair?

(It's not that bad really, but it does make you uptight with all the little jibes (not aimed at anyone in particular), because people my age are not yet aware of this occurence unless they sleep with someone with hair. It's quite funny, because their faces are classic, as if they've told a gay joke without realising the person they just told it to was gay.

[Superchicken]

haha oh you know so little about bible college grass hopper. Bible college is generally reffered to as Bridal College, and if you think most Christian girls are terribly good with the whole making out thing... many go to pretty much anything but a blow job or full on sex.

Not that I'm looking for that kind of girl. But yeah those guys are deffinately over built. Honestly right now the best build is to just be thin and have a six pack.

[Dogma]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
haha oh you know so little about bible college grass hopper. Bible college is generally reffered to as Bridal College, and if you think most Christian girls are terribly good with the whole making out thing... many go to pretty much anything but a blow job or full on sex.

Strange, I usually found the hardcore Christian lassies to be the ones that, er, well, you know, give it up. You know, you'd pull, get very lucky, want to carry on the next morning - but hey, they had to go to church!

I suppose if they're catholic and they've had a slow week, it gives them something to confess, to keep the priest happy in his wee cubby hole...

[Mastrap]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
reffered to as Bridal College, and if you think most Christian girls are terribly good with the whole making out thing... many go to pretty much anything but a blow job or full on sex.

My girlfriend showed me a Marie Claire survey recently. Apparently in strictly Catholic countries like Spain where virginity still carries some value (though less and less) it is still popular with a fair amount of girls (their number was 47%) to have anal but not vaginal sex before marriage. That way they are technically a virgin when marrying. Something to look forward to for the Superchic[k]en?

[Mastrap]

Originally posted by Dogma:
Strange, I usually found the hardcore Christian lassies to be the ones that, er, well, you know, give it up. You know, you'd pull, get very lucky, want to carry on the next morning - but hey, they had to go to church!

I suppose if they're catholic and they've had a slow week, it gives them something to confess, to keep the priest happy in his wee cubby hole...

Used to be a NY punk band called 'The Cocky Sticks'. They had a great and very funny song out called: 'I'm a Catholic girl, of course I swallow'. Always cracked my catholic friends up

Link to a site that has a link to the song. This link is safe for work. The song...isn't really

[ringo]

Originally posted by Dogma:
The bad part is, I am now falling into the grooming trap. I now have hairs sprowting up in some awkward places, and am not really bothered by it personally, but namely my back is getting a bit of a plush added to it. The problem lies in all the girls magazines and comedy shows that take the mickey out of men with hairy backs. Girls that would say they would never go out with a man that had hairs on his back (it was bad enough when they complained about the chest)

In the same boat, but gave up long ago trying to look like a 10 year old boy. Luckily my wife doesn't mind the hair, which is good because for the most part I've resigned myself to turning into a walking shag carpet.

Mastrap, you're getting dangerously close to bringing the whole Homosexuality - Sodomy - Christianity thing full circle.

[forkies]

Originally posted by Dogma:
I'm a furry guy

accept that you're a bear/cub and be happy with yourself

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by RAzaRazor:
He was referring to being in shape and having a tan, you pale, doughy dolt.

damn right!

You think they are over built Superchick? Well if anyone in the world had a choice to have your robust physic or theirs, guys which they would choose.

[forkies]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
damn right!

You think they are over built Superchick? Well if anyone in the world had a choice to have your robust physic or theirs, guys which they would choose.

how about the guy in the middle with the silver thong and cap? rar!

oh, wait, you meant to have as my own physique

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

This one is more within Superchicks reach. She's not to built.

*snip*

Edit:
Don't link things like that! My eyes, they burn!

[Superchicken]

Wow that was uhh... see that's why parades like that shouldn't be allowed!

True star wars guy, but I bet I'll get far more women than that guy!

[gerbnl]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
What I don't understand, if you are BORN gay, why are you proud? You had nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
Some ask why is there such a thing as "Gay Pride" in the first place? Pride is the opposite of shame. The more a society tries to shame homosexuals into hiding, the more "Gay Pride" the phenomenon will be continue and will probably take an over-bearing approach (like flamboyant parades).

Makes you think about the "American" Pride so much flaunted in other threads...

Anyways, i really wanted to contribute something else, about the people having anonymous sex in public parks. Now i realise it might be marginally different in the US, but here it's quite clear that the majority of people frequenting public parks are not out. Maybe up to 60-70 % are married and/or in the closet and rely on the public parks and their lunchbreaks to have homosexual sex at all. Going to gay bars or inviting people to their homes simply isn't an option for them. That is the sad truth about it.

Furthermore these public parks meeting places tend to be in the remoter area's of said public parks. I won't deny that it is possible to accidently run into people having sex, but most will want some privacy and stay behind some shrubs.

It quite funny, but just the other day, in an article about a local public park where people are complaining about gay couples having sex, it was mentioned that the police had to resort to monitoring the park on horseback so they could reach the inaccessible spots where it acually happend... duh!...

scenery: old lady and policeofficer against the backdrop of a public park...

old lady: "i want to complain! those filthy buggers are all the time having sex in our park, what would happen if my grantchildren see it?"
policeofficer turns and peers into the park, after several minutes of scrutiny he says: "Hmmm, i don't actually see anything m'am?"
old lady: "No, but if you'd go to the roof and stand on this ladder..."

[edit: typo's, typo's ]

[iWrite]

They can get a friggin hotel room.

A lot of people probably "make whoopee" and don't want people to know about it...they don't head to the dark depths and overgrowth of a public park to exercise their sexuality.

I think they should get a $500 fine each. That's a lot more than a hotel or motel room and incentive to spend $39 on a room instead of a $500 ticket.

Again, most straight people aren't behaving like this. Some do but the majority don't. Behave like the rest of society and you won't be stigmatized.

[icruise]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
they have parades for religions, for sporting events, for ideas, for historic events, for love, for hate, for fish tacos, you name it.

Thanks for reminding me! <rushes off to local fish taco parade...>

As for gay pride parades, I think it's probably true that they hurt acceptance a lot more than the help it, but I don't think getting accepted is the point. My hunch is that they do it as a way to feel better about themselves, to help themselves feel like they are a part of a genuine community rather than always being on the outside. I personally think it would be better to have a parade in which gay people walk down the street just acting like normal people (which, let's face it, most gay people are). But I guess the whole idea of "parading" only appeals to a certainly type of person, so that isn't too likely.

[gerbnl]

Originally posted by iWrite:
About a "straight parade," ha! It would be a wash. There'd be no notoriety about it, no perverse "Jerry Springer" atmosphere to it, no law-breaking nudity and obscenity, no horn-honking for hours straight, etc.

Yeah, agreed! it would be extremely dull...

[gerbnl]

Originally posted by iWrite:
They can get a friggin hotel room.

A lot of people probably "make whoopee" and don't want people to know about it...they don't head to the dark depths and overgrowth of a public park to exercise their sexuality.

I think they should get a $500 fine each. That's a lot more than a hotel or motel room and incentive to spend $39 on a room instead of a $500 ticket.

Again, most straight people aren't behaving like this. Some do but the majority don't. Behave like the rest of society and you won't be stigmatized.

As i said, most are not out, and are thus quite unlikely to even go to hotels...

I checked some dutch websites about "meeting places" and overall it seems there's about as much straight as gay meeting places. It can be said that the gay places tend to be in public parks while the straight ones tend to be at (more or less) remote highway parking / rest places (if that is whats it called in english). So while it seem true that gays tend to do this more often than straights, i wouldn't want do downplay the number of straights that engage in this type of activity.

[benb]

Holy crap. I agree with him. Where's the nervous smiley?

[version]

Originally posted by Dogma:

(It's not that bad really, but it does make you uptight with all the little jibes (not aimed at anyone in particular), because people my age are not yet aware of this occurence unless they sleep with someone with hair. It's quite funny, because their faces are classic, as if they've told a gay joke without realising the person they just told it to was gay.

Once a woman has had a man with hair in bed, there's no going back for her. I'm talking from experience too,

[wdlove]

I would like to see the return of the real meaning of gay, happy. It would be much better for all if they were not so out spoken about there beliefs!

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Hilarious. You straight folks don't even grant gay people basic rights and seem to brush off fag bashing and now you are complaining that you want a straight parade and they gays shouldn't have a ONCE a year parade cuz if they want to do anything they should rent a hotel.

You are all such victims

[Spliffdaddy]

I have a hairy back and I'm happy that I found others that do, too.

[daimoni]

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[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by wdlove:
It would be much better for all if they were not so out spoken about there beliefs!

It would? Why?

I would have to same except about religious groups.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by daimoni:
What's wrong with being outspoken about being happy?

It makes bigots uncomfortable.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
haha oh you know so little about bible college grass hopper. Bible college is generally reffered to as Bridal College, and if you think most Christian girls are terribly good with the whole making out thing... many go to pretty much anything but a blow job or full on sex.

Not that I'm looking for that kind of girl. But yeah those guys are deffinately over built. Honestly right now the best build is to just be thin and have a six pack.

Christian girls in your Bible school DON'T go as far as a bj? Damn. You need to move to Australia. That's a poor effort on their part.

Originally posted by daimoni:
What's wrong with being outspoken about being happy?

Nothing, so long as it doesn't get in anybody's way.

If there was a parade outside my house proclaiming gay rights, I'd be pissed. I don't have a problem with gay people, so they're only causing trouble for themselves.

If there was a parade outside my house with a bunch of Christians singing hymns preaching the Gospel, I'd be just as pissed.

I'm not discriminating against who annoys me; all who annoy me get treated equally.

Black, white, gay, straight, sober, drunk, good, evil, fat, bulemic, whatever.

[daimoni]

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[Spliffdaddy]

If you have to protest and march and have a parade - then your message is one that nobody wants to hear.

word.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
It would? Why?

I would have to same except about religious groups.

Yeah, you're right. Same deal with religious groups.

Some people here are being awfully inconsistent, I must say...

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
It makes bigots uncomfortable.

Now you're getting to the "victim complex". You don't seriously believe that, do you?

At least not in all cases?

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by Cipher13:

If there was a parade outside my house proclaiming gay rights, I'd be pissed. I don't have a problem with gay people, so they're only causing trouble for themselves.

Seems they are also causing trouble for themselves for walking down the street holding hands or showing love towards one another, they are getting beat up for it in-fact.
Once day a year is to much for you to handle eh?

Well I have to say when the Carabanna parade comes to Toronto each year there is ALWAYS a shooting so they are making blacks look more bad then good. I think I will go this year and yell go back to Africa Niggers!

How many people storm into a church everyday and scream hateful remarks at the church picnics?

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Now you're getting to the "victim complex". You don't seriously believe that, do you?

At least not in all cases?

1) I grew up not being granted basic human rights until recently.

2) It is dangerous to show any affection in public.

3) Society for the most part does not accept gays and now even a parade once a year is too much for you to handle.

But no, I wouldn't call myself a victim, you poor straight folks who saw a flag and a bum are!

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by daimoni:
What? Getting in the way of you being sad? Not everybody listens to NIN.

Haha. Precisely - it's so inconsiderate when the weather isn't overcast, don't you agree? :sigh:

But in all seriousness, it's inconsiderate. It's a pain in the ass. In Cash's position, I'd be pissed off. They can be happy, and 'gay', just don't go proclaiming the fact. Nobody else cares, except for the bigots... why don't people get that?

The people they* appeal to for 'acceptance' are the ones who are already accepting. The result of parades and whatnot is simply to further rile up those who are not tolerant.

* = 'they' refers to not just gays, but exhibitionists/loudmouths of any sort. You know what I mean.

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
If you have to protest and march and have a parade - then your message is one that nobody wants to hear.

word.

Interesting sentiment, but not quite. What about the equal rights movements for black/white equality, and so forth? What if it's just the message most people are too afraid to support, given possible social ramifications?

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Seems they are also causing trouble for themselves for walking down the street holding hands or showing love towards one another, they are getting beat up for it in-fact.
Once day a year is to much for you to handle eh?

Well I have to say when the Carabanna parade comes to Toronto each year there is ALWAYS a shooting so they are making blacks look more bad then good. I think I will go this year and yell go back to Africa Niggers!

How many people storm into a church everyday and scream hateful remarks at the church picnics?

That is not the point. We understand the discrimination, but going parading around in thongs in main streets is not helping the cause. It's simply supporting the gay stereotypes, such as the bondage-freak one. Look at each one of those guys in that picture you posted.

Yeah, that's really helping your cause, isn't it? Yeah. I think it's just an excuse to show off.

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
1) I grew up not being granted basic human rights until recently.

2) It is dangerous to show any affection in public.

3) Society for the most part does not accept gays and now even a parade once a year is too much for you to handle.

But no, I wouldn't call myself a victim, you poor straight folks who saw a flag and a bum are!

1. That's very unfortunate, and it disgusts me that people can be so degenerate. That isn't my fault, though. It isn't the fault of 99% of the people here. Preaching to the choir is pointless.

2. Sometimes it's dangerous to simply go outside. I don't engage in acts of "affection" outside at all, because I find it inconsiderate myself. This depends on what we're considering affection, though. Holding hands, et al, naturally, that's fine. But sticking tongues down each others throat is something best left for... elsewhere.

3. Stop thinking you're so special. It isn't your gay parade I don't like, it's the proclamation of the fact.

"I'm a muslim, look at me!"
"I'm a catholic, look at me!"
"I'm gay, look at me!"
"I'm irish, look at me!"

And yes. I'm Irish. But I don't give a **** whether you look at me, or not.

Yeah, you ARE suffering from the victim complex. Just look at your last sentence, directed at me. I openly support gays. If a person came up to me and said "do you think it's wrong to be gay?", I'd very explicitly state that I didn't. And yet, there you go again. Whatever.

[drummin]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
I agree with cash.



You don't get it, at all, do you? 10 posts? Troll...

im not a troll, im just quiet

truth is, i only get to read this forum at work, and only once in a while, and it takes a certain type of topic to get me to respond, usually gays, guns, or abortion.

see i like a light conversation...

[permanent68]

I'd like to add one other thought here, since it is my thoughts on homosexuals. Alright, at least in Madison, people GENERALLY accept whatever sexuality you happen to be. GENERALLY. Sure, there might be that ONE trailerpark trash guy who yells 'fags!' or something like that, but if only ONE guy yells at them, isn't that pretty freaking good? I mean, think about it? WHen does it stop? Do you want EVERYONE to accept you, and the way you are? I hate to break it to people here, but there will NEVER EVER EVER be a time when everything is accepted by EVERYONE.

Think about it. No matter what you are talking about, there is always going to be someone who doesn't agree with you. Hell, think of things that people generally 'accept'... Christianity. Gee, ever heard an anti Christian comment?!? Or being white. Ever heard a cracker comment, or a racist minority talk about whites? I have. Drive a GM vehicle? I hate GM vehicles.

The point is, you will NEVER get everyone to accept "BLAH", and in reference to the whole gay parades, I agree. The gay parade in madison, was NOT a sexed up one. It was basically gay people walking up the street saying hi to people, holding signs demanding equal rights, etc etc etc. Cool. But walking around with your ass showing, with a huge fabric 'penis' hanging between your legs, and performing fake 'oral sex' on a popsicle or beer bottle held between a guys legs, TOTALLY NOT COOL. In fact, if I saw crap like that, I'd become less 'tolerant' of those specific gay people and it would build up an intolerance of public gayness. So yeah... keep going with the overtly sexual gay parades and what not, perhaps you will turn me, a person happily accepting whatever orientation you happen to be, into a bigot.

- Rob

[permanent68]

Oh, an for the record, MTV's spring break DISGUSTS me. I hate slutty stupid people, they're worthless. People who have values, self esteem, and intelligence are the people I enjoy being around.

- Rob