[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by art_director 

How would you count, by going through every thread and trying to determine political affiliation? If so, let's see your tally.

Actually, nevermind. You can't. Your claim cannot be substantiated without polling every person who posts here -- something that probably won't happen.

Please refrain from trying to pass your opinions off as fact.

We've had polls here before, and they backed up my statement.

http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...highlight=Poll

Blow it out your a**.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

I think it all boils down to nothing but cannon fodder for both sides.

By and large, our Govt can't get crap done, no matter which side is in power. Big Brother doesn't now his ass from breakfast.

Dems cried and whined about Reps for years like it was TEH END OF TEH WURLD. Reps didn't do much at all, except give Dems something to fight about.

Now it's the Reps turn to cry and whine like it's TEH END OF TEH WURLD, but Dems won't do anything of any consequence any more than any American Govt body has the last several decades.

(expect raise everyone's taxes — especially those of us that make a good living — to pay for deadbeat illegals)

I don't see how you can say that. We've gone to war in Iraq and we've increased our debt significantly. Maybe you think those were good things - I don't - but whatever you think, if Democrats had kept control in 2000, things would have been very different than they are today.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

By and large, our Govt can't get crap done, no matter which side is in power. Big Brother doesn't now his ass from breakfast.

Sad but true.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by BRussell 

Calm down ebuddy. We're not going to catch you in some "meth 'n' massage" incident are we?

Not into drugs and have always thought "massage therapy" was a cover for sexual repression anyway. Either way, you'll find this married man engaged in neither.

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by art_director 

I'm tired of the corruption, that's why I voted against the Reps.

I'm tired of the war, that's why I voted against the Reps.

I'm tired of a do-nothing Congress, that's why I voted against the Reps.

I'm tired of elected officials doing anything to maintain power, that's why I voted against the Reps.

I'm tired of elected officials not listening to their constituents, that's why I voted against the Reps.

I'm tired of the pathetic healthcare system in America, that's why I voted against the Reps.

I'm tired of watching government spending spiral out of control, that's why I voted against the Reps.

Is there anything you're for?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

I don't think He'll jump ship, but I certainly expect he won't cow-tow to Pelosi, either.

Personally, I got a warm feeling when I saw the number 2 next to Independent, last night.

He's too Populist for my taste, but I do like the guy. I think he might actually be one of the few genuine people in the Beltway.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

Is there anything you're for?

Well, it would seem he's not for politicians or politics in general.

Can't say I don't blame him too much though.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by MacNStein 

We've had polls here before, and they backed up my statement.

http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...highlight=Poll

Blow it out your a**.

Your typical inaccuracy, MacNStein.

a. That poll asked 'Who did you vote for?', not 'Are you a Democrat or a Republican?' The two are not the same. Take yesterday's election, for example. Many, many, many Republicans voted for Democrats.

b. That poll was taken two years ago. People's attitudes and opinions change. That, my friend, is a fact. There's is no substantiation for the claim that the poll you referenced is in any way accurate for today's political climate.

I'll be blowing nothing out my rear but I do invite you to tongue my sack.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

You must be one of those women-hatin' conservatives that Monique is going on about.

I don't hate women, I think everybody should own one!

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by art_director 

I'll be blowing nothing out my rear but I do invite you to tongue my sack.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

Is there anything you're for?

Yes, there are a number of things I'm for:

- Accountability in the government.

- Fair elections.

- Affordable healthcare.

- Having an international coalition prior to invading other nations.

- Women's reproductive rights.

- Stem cell research.

- Fair taxation.

- I'd like my elected officials to take time to actually read the bills they sign.

- I'd like my privacy back -- Bush's wiretaps are a sham.

There's more but this goes a distance toward answering your question.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by MacNStein 

He's too Populist for my taste.

Sounds like a good thing to me.

Originally Posted by MacNStein 

I think he might actually be one of the few genuine people in the Beltway.

All I know is the man puts me to sleep the way everyone accused Gore of doing in 2000. (Chris Parnell does a great impression of him, though)

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by art_director 

Your typical inaccuracy, MacNStein.

a. That poll asked 'Who did you vote for?', not 'Are you a Democrat or a Republican?' The two are not the same. Take yesterday's election, for example. Many, many, many Republicans voted for Democrats.

b. That poll was taken two years ago. People's attitudes and opinions change. That, my friend, is a fact. There's is no substantiation for the claim that the poll you referenced is in any way accurate for today's political climate.

I'll be blowing nothing out my rear but I do invite you to tongue my sack.

You don't have a sack, that's been proven by your posts on this forum.

And, on this issue, you've been proven wrong (which I'm sure you're getting used to). Our population in the Poli Lounge hasn't changed much at all, same people just different names. If anything, more people have pulled Left in the last several months. Time and again, this forum has proven to be more heavily populated by people who consider themselves to be Liberal. It's not surprising, given that people on the Left are more likely to use a Macintosh (with some exceptions).

[art_director]

Originally Posted by MacNStein 

You don't have a sack, that's been proven by your posts on this forum.

And, on this issue, you've been proven wrong (which I'm sure you're getting used to). Our population in the Poli Lounge hasn't changed much at all, same people just different names. If anything, more people have pulled Left in the last several months. Time and again, this forum has proven to be more heavily populated by people who consider themselves to be Liberal. It's not surprising, given that people on the Left are more likely to use a Macintosh (with some exceptions).

You're as dillusional as George Bush was going into yesterday's election. You're also pwned. And you know it.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by art_director 

You're as dillusional as George Bush was going into yesterday's election. You're also pwned. And you know it.

You're simply clueless.

Come to think of it, the margin is more than 2 to 1 now... probably more like 5 to 2 given the issues in the ME and the screaming over stemcell research.

[Dakar²]

You two are gonna have awesome make-up sex when this is over.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by MacNStein 

You're simply clueless.

Come to think of it, the margin is more than 2 to 1 now... probably more like 5 to 2 given the issues in the ME and stem cell research.

Yeah, keep flicking your tongue, just like that. You've licked sacks before, I can tell.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

You two are gonna have awesome make-up sex when this is over.

When it's over? I'm getting mine now. Stein is a good catcher.

[houstonmacbro]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

I think it all boils down to nothing but cannon fodder for both sides.

By and large, our Govt can't get crap done, no matter which side is in power. Big Brother doesn't now his ass from breakfast.

Dems cried and whined about Reps for years like it was TEH END OF TEH WURLD. Reps didn't do much at all, except give Dems something to fight about.

Now it's the Reps turn to cry and whine like it's TEH END OF TEH WURLD, but Dems won't do anything of any consequence any more than any American Govt body has the last several decades.

(expect raise everyone's taxes — especially those of us that make a good living — to pay for deadbeat illegals)

whatever happened to smaller government?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by art_director 

Yeah, keep flicking your tongue, just like that. You've licked sacks before, I can tell.

Your "female" relatives count?

[kobi]

I hate to interrupt your fight/make-up sex.

I just had to say that my prediction earlier in this thread that was brushed off.....came true.

Ol' Georgie is in for a tough fight with the Dems in power now.

I'm just glad to see his reign of fear is now over.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by art_director 

When it's over? I'm getting mine now. Stein is a good catcher.

Not nearly as good as your husband though.


Stop being such an easy target man!

[RAILhead]

If anyone thinks the Dems will give us a smaller Govt, they're a total idiot, I'm sorry.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by kobi 

I hate to interrupt your fight/make-up sex.

I just had to say that my prediction earlier in this thread that was brushed off.....came true.

Ol' Georgie is in for a tough fight with the Dems in power now.

I'm just glad to see his reign of fear is now over.

With luck this power shift will stem the flow of poor legislation, will get the deficit back under control and get our military under the leadership of a sane individual -- someone our military commanders will respect.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

You two are gonna have awesome make-up sex when this is over.

Hey man, I'm guilty of a lot of things, but I've always stayed within our species.

[houstonmacbro]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

If anyone thinks the Dems will give us a smaller Govt, you're a total idiot, I'm sorry.

i didn't say that. did you read what i wrote?

i ASKED whatever happened to smaller government (or at least the idea of it).

read before calling someone an idiot.

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by houstonmacbro 

i didn't say that. did you read what i wrote?

i ASKED whatever happened to smaller government (or at least the idea of it).

read before calling someone an idiot.

That wasn't targeted at you -- I edited my post to say "they're" not "you're".

I was just commenting on your post, to Dems in general.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by houstonmacbro 

i ASKED whatever happened to smaller government (or at least the idea of it).

The Libertarians can't field an appealing candidate. THAT is the problem.

Harry Brown was close, but he didn't have enough money.

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by art_director 

With luck this power shift will stem the flow of poor legislation, will get the deficit back under control and get our military under the leadership of a sane individual -- someone our military commanders will respect.

Kerry? Hillary?





We're doomed...

[art_director]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

If anyone thinks the Dems will give us a smaller Govt, you're a total idiot, I'm sorry.

With Bush and the Vampire Congress government only got larger -- much larger and much faster than under the Democrats inb the preceding cycles.

All this despite what they promised in the Contract with America -- which, I suppose, is now in breach of contract. To recap, the C w A called for:

- Smaller government. What's actually happened under Bush and the Vampire Congress was actually the fastest growth of the federal government in decades. That even after you take into account the War on Terror and Homeland 'Security.'

- Get government spending under control. Bush and the Vampire Congress increased federal spending at a rate not seen in many decades. Again, even when you take Homeland Security and the W o T out of the equation.

- Stop government corruption. All one need say is Bill Frist, Mark Foley, Jack Abrahamoff, Bob Ney, Tom Delay...you get the point.

I don't think the Democrats are perfect, in fact, far from. But, I do know, things can't get much worse than they've been for the past few years.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

Kerry? Hillary?





We're doomed...

Hillary is a lightning rod, and a fool. I fart in her general direction.

[Powerbook]

I am surprised no one praises the fact (or condemns it, depending on your point of view) that the first american socialist has captured a seat in the Senate: Polls: One-man socialist show could open in Senate - CNN.com
I have heard from this guy back when he first entered the House, this could become very interesting!

Regards
Powerbook

[Dakar²]

I simply don't enough to comment on it.

That and its Vermont.

[Mark Larr]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

I take it personally when all the rights guaranteed in the Constitution are determined to be not applicable to all people, citizen or no. We should be a shining example to the world, and treat even our enemies fairly and under our system of justice, not a cobbled-together secret military tribunal system that is based on "even if you're not guilty, we don't care, we're throwing you away ANYWAYS."

That right there harms us all, and pushes the country to be more like the totalitarian states you guys claim to despise.

So you lost no freedoms and are on the side of those who want you destroyed.


Even the despicable John Walker Lyndh got a fair shake, perhaps?


He wasn't hanged as he should have been, a boon for those on the left wanting to harm our country.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

So you lost no freedoms and are on the side of those who want you destroyed.


Even the despicable John Walker Lyndh got a fair shake, perhaps?


He wasn't hanged as he should have been, a boon for those on the left wanting to harm our country.

Stephen Hatfill didn't get a fair shake. He got screwed by an incoherent witch hunt. It can happen to any one of us regardless of which major party is in power. Until that's fixed we have problems.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by art_director 

With Bush and the Vampire Congress government only got larger -- much larger and much faster than under the Democrats inb the preceding cycles.

All this despite what they promised in the Contract with America -- which, I suppose, is now in breach of contract. To recap, the C w A called for:

- Smaller government. What's actually happened under Bush and the Vampire Congress was actually the fastest growth of the federal government in decades. That even after you take into account the War on Terror and Homeland 'Security.'

- Get government spending under control. Bush and the Vampire Congress increased federal spending at a rate not seen in many decades. Again, even when you take Homeland Security and the W o T out of the equation.

- Stop government corruption. All one need say is Bill Frist, Mark Foley, Jack Abrahamoff, Bob Ney, Tom Delay...you get the point.

I don't think the Democrats are perfect, in fact, far from. But, I do know, things can't get much worse than they've been for the past few years.

First of all, the Contract has NOTHING to do with this Congress. That is a TWELVE year old idea that applied to the Congress elected in '94.

Second, what has been going on the last 12 years is NO DIFFERENT than what the Dems have done/gone through. The idea that it is worse now or that the corruption is in any way party related is one made out of whole cloth. This is a much larger problem than will be fixed by throwing out the incumbents in a tantrum. The system will swallow the new guys too, and since the Dems will be in power the light will shine brighter on those cases too.

[Sky Captain]

Stephen Hatfill, also know as Dr. Anthrax, has a questionable history.
As well as falsified credentials.
Not to mention his SAS work in Rhodesia, to distribute biotoxin from aircraft.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

First of all, the Contract has NOTHING to do with this Congress. That is a TWELVE year old idea that applied to the Congress elected in '94.

Second, what has been going on the last 12 years is NO DIFFERENT than what the Dems have done/gone through. The idea that it is worse now or that the corruption is in any way party related is one made out of whole cloth. This is a much larger problem than will be fixed by throwing out the incumbents in a tantrum. The system will swallow the new guys too, and since the Dems will be in power the light will shine brighter on those cases too.

The Contract with America led to the Republican majority. The same Republican majority that gave us bigger government and a bigger deficit. Not to mention a degradation of our civil liberties.

What's gone on for the past twelve years may, in some ways, be similar to what Dems have done but with greater severity.

You may be right, the corruption may raise it's ugly head with the Dems as well. If it does, hopefully, the voters will again correct the balance of power. To suggest keeping Republicans in charge would have stemmed the flow of corruption isn't accurate.

I don't believe either party is right or perfect. I do, however, believe that if we keep power in balance, as it appears we now have, we stand a better chance of keeping corruption and a runaway government under control. There will still be problems but now, with the power split, everyone has something to lose.

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by Monique 

Ok nobody is mentionning this, propably because it is mainly men and conservatives on this board but

NANCY PELOSI IS NOW THE FIRST WOMAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

And it opens the doors wide opened for what:

THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT.

Now all the conservatives can go and hide for a while.

A woman president in theory is good. However, when a woman gets mad (usually over small things), they get MAD. Half the damn world would be nuked because she felt bloated or had a bad hair day.

[Sky Captain]

Which civil liberties?
To blow up my airplane?

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

Stephen Hatfill, also know as Dr. Anthrax, has a questionable history.
As well as falsified credentials.
Not to mention his SAS work in Rhodesia, to distribute biotoxin from aircraft.

All of which has what to do with his reputation and career being ruined by a misguided witch hunt?

The guy got the short end of the stick by being labeled a 'person of interest' when they had nothing on him. That was the FBI trying to look efficient in the wake of their biggest failure in history. That failure, might I add, could easily have been avoided had the FBIs egos and bureaucracy not stood in the way. As a result over 2,000 people lost their lives.

[spacefreak]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

Which civil liberties?
To blow up my airplane?

It's almost as ridiculous as lefties supporting a 13-year-old's right to an abortion without parental consent. Meanwhile, that same 13-year-old can't even go on a class trip without parental consent.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

Which civil liberties?
To blow up my airplane?

Privacy, for one. Take the secret wiretaps. Why do they exist? It's been proven that VoIP can easily be encrypted in wauys that cannot be broken in real time. Intelligence has found that AQ and other evil doers have been using VoIP, so why have the wiretaps? They won't help catch people who don't use normal channels of communication.

Also, since 911, police all over the nation have started fooking with people for the smallest of reasons. There have been photographers arrested / detained for taking pictures near certain buildings. They have the right to take pictures of anything seen from public property but the police mess with them. Why is that allowed?

My father-in-law is a high ranking law enforcement official in a midwestern state. We often talk about these issues and about security in a post-911 world. It's his professional opinion that we're no safer today than we were on September 10, 2001. He's mad about the money we've squandered and the BS that's come as a result of the Department of Homeland Incompetence. I respect my father-in-law and I value his opinions on such matters. He is a conservative in every sense but he believes the Republicans have made a big mess with few improvements in security.

He has also told me about his dealings with the FBI and Secret Service -- both agencies he's interfaced with many times during his decades of public service. He maintains that both are poorly run and need to be re-tooled.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by spacefreak 

It's almost as ridiculous as lefties supporting a 13-year-old's right to an abortion without parental consent.

Who here is supporting that?

[art_director]

In my view this is good news.

[Dakar²]

Pro-choice Muslim, eh?

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by art_director 

In my view this is good news.

No worse than voting in evangelicals and other heretics I s'pose

V

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by itai195 

Won't he run into term limits?

I agree with what you said regarding Arnie, still for a Democrat to lose that badly here really is kind of shocking. WTF did people vote for Angelides in the primary?

Yeah, this is his last term.

I think it had more to do with your generic partisan vote, originally. "Oh, he's a Republican, I'm gonna vote Democrat" regardless of the issues.

I hope this is evidence of new realization for California, to look beyond Party boundries and to look at the issues. There had to be a lot of Democrats voting for Schwarzenegger for Angelides to lose by that much; that means Schwarzenegger did a great job at addressing the concerns of both major parties during his office, not just sucking up to one or another. Seems like the right percentage for at least the intelligent Democrats that didn't have their heads up their asses to go ahead and vote for a Republican.

How many Republican candidate governors would directly defy a Republican President during their race for office? I think more than a few Democrats and Independents took a double-take on that one.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by voodoo 

No worse than voting in evangelicals and other heretics I s'pose

V

No worries, the Flying Spaghetti Monster loves them all.

[Sky Captain]

Carter approved the wiretaps during his term.(FISA)
How come Pen registers were legal for Clinton yet illegal for Bush?

All partisan bickering BS.